Venetain Dilemma

[SpaceAce]

My phone rings at 5:00AM today and it's Howard calling to tell me about this. I told him to not only post it here but to go to whoever is the head person in charge of the Venetian poker room and make sure he or she knows about it as well. I have to say, the way Howard described it to me on the phone made it sound even worse than this post. When Howard told me the story this morning, I couldn't believe how rude and unprofessional the floor came off. I was especially stunned by the "Tom's not here" lie followed by Tom's appearance.

SpaceAce

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At Caesars last night(early morning) I let four people play
5-10 NL for no rake as long as they took care of my dealers(and they did)
and I let two guys play heads up for no rake on 2-5 NL.
I don't want to lose the games at 5am they might be full in an hour last night I had 8 games at 5am only one was a limit game 4-8

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This is headed down the path to outright theft. A casino would not think highly of its staff lowering or reducing the rake in exchange for better tokes.

[goofball]

If you are playing heads up the casino should not take a rake in my opinion.

[tom10167]

Why?

[psandman]

"1) I've never seen a floor man reduce a rake and then five minutes later say "Full rake or you're gone!"."

I have seen this but in a circumstance that made more sense. The game was shorthanded and asked for a rake reduction. There was another a game at the same limit going. The rake reduction was granted, but then a bunch of players left the other game and the floor wanted to consolidate the two games (there were seats for everyone) The players at the shorthanded game said they din't want to go to the other game so the floor told them they couldn't have a reduced rake if they stayed.

[psandman]

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If you are playing heads up the casino should not take a rake in my opinion.

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So the casino is suppossed to provide this service for free?

I agre ethat if the casino is trying to start a new game and they only have two players it makes sense to let them play free since your hoping that their playing will attract more players and then you will be able to get a rake.

But in the middle of the night when the game is dying there is no reason to allow players to play for free unless you really believe there is some hope of the game getting resurrected.

[psandman]

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I think pokerfloor was getting at the idea that if they are a bunch of scum-bags and none of them EVER tip...And they all happen to be obnoxious...then they are more likely to just close-down the game.


I also agree that the rooms should WANT these games going. These are the players who are STARTING games for you which is a good thing.
You are less likely to get full-tables if you don't let a couple of guys start-up or continue a game like this for you.

I don't understand why a room would WANT to close down games. The cost of keeping the dealer there is minimal.

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These players were not starting a game at 5AM. For the most part (at least in Vegas) games don't start at 5AM. If you let the game go rake free the casino is making no money and they are not like to start making money on this game anytime soon. Now if for some reason, in this particlur room the floor thinks that this game will be resurrected if he can just keep it going for a while then a rake reduction is appropriate.

I generally don't see casinos close poker tables while a game is going on, but they don't need to give away the house either.

[davebwell]

Was the floor man who did this a big black guy? When I was there this guy got into an argument with a couple of players at another table. I also thought he was rather rude when I said "have a good night" when I left.

[kjander]

I couldn't agree anymore. I tip well 95% of the time but I am certainly not going to tip if my service is crappy cards, resturaunt, ect.) A tip is a tip, I don't appreciate people telling me what what I should or shouldn't tip.

Last weekend I had a dealer, when asked if the last game he was in was loose or tight said "It
s real loose,...there are 3 people on the table thouogh that don't tips, thats so annoying." I started laughing out loud at the dealer and said "Did you ever consider that they don't tip because you are jerk enough to make a comment like that, that is why I will never tip you again in my life not because I am cheap"

[itsmarty]

Neither of you should be proud of that conversation.

Martin