NLTRN - $22 - few hands leading up to worst rivar in the deck

bbbushu · #1 11-06-2007, 09:46 PM

here's villain's sharkscope, filtered for NL, Hold 'em, HU: JTmoney800: 244 $1 $40 2% $289

i showed the last hand to a few people and they all disagreed with my choice. my decision could be total nonsense but i'm just checking in.

*****HAND 1*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089015189: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:04 ET - 2007/11/06
Thebutton is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 folds
Uncalled bet of 15 returned to heeroh
heeroh mucks
heeroh wins the pot (30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30 | Rake 0
Seat 1: heeroh (big blind) collected (30), mucked
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (small blind) folded before the Flop

*****HAND 2*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089016206: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:10 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: heeroh (1,515)
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (1,485)
heeroh posts the small blind of 15
JTmoney800 posts the big blind of 30
Thebutton is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
heeroh folds
Uncalled bet of 15 returned to JTmoney800
JTmoney800 mucks
JTmoney800 wins the pot (30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30 | Rake 0
Seat 1: heeroh (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (big blind) collected (30), mucked

*****HAND 3*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089017549: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:19 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: heeroh (1,500)
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (1,500)
JTmoney800 posts the small blind of 15
heeroh posts the big blind of 30
Thebutton is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 calls 15
heeroh checks
*** FLOP *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
heeroh bets 40
JTmoney800 folds
Uncalled bet of 40 returned to heeroh
heeroh mucks
heeroh wins the pot (60)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 60 | Rake 0
Board: [4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Seat 1: heeroh (big blind) collected (60), mucked
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (small blind) folded on the Flop

*****HAND 4*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089020240: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:35 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: heeroh (1,530)
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (1,470)
heeroh posts the small blind of 15
JTmoney800 posts the big blind of 30
Thebutton is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
heeroh folds
Uncalled bet of 15 returned to JTmoney800
JTmoney800 mucks
JTmoney800 wins the pot (30)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30 | Rake 0
Seat 1: heeroh (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (big blind) collected (30), mucked

*****HAND 5*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089021679: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:43 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: heeroh (1,515)
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (1,485)
JTmoney800 posts the small blind of 15
heeroh posts the big blind of 30
Thebutton is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 calls 15
heeroh checks
*** FLOP *** [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
heeroh checks
JTmoney800 checks
*** TURN *** [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
heeroh bets 40
JTmoney800 folds
Uncalled bet of 40 returned to heeroh
heeroh mucks
heeroh wins the pot (60)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 60 | Rake 0
Board: [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Seat 1: heeroh (big blind) collected (60), mucked
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (small blind) folded on the Turn

*****HAND 6*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089025077: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:35:05 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: heeroh (1,545)
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (1,455)
heeroh posts the small blind of 15
JTmoney800 posts the big blind of 30
Thebutton is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
heeroh raises to 75
JTmoney800 calls 45
*** FLOP *** [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 checks
heeroh bets 105
JTmoney800 calls 105
*** TURN *** [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 checks
heeroh has 15 seconds left to act
heeroh bets 120
JTmoney800 calls 120
*** RIVER *** [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 checks
heeroh checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
heeroh shows [K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] a pair of Kings
JTmoney800 mucks
heeroh wins the pot (600) with a pair of Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600 | Rake 0
Board: [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Seat 1: heeroh (small blind) showed [K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] and won (600) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (big blind) mucked [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] - a pair of Fives

*****HAND 7*****
Full Tilt Poker Game #4089031599: $22 + $1 Heads Up Sit & Go (31068877), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:35:46 ET - 2007/11/06
Seat 1: heeroh (1,845)
Seat 2: JTmoney800 (1,155)
JTmoney800 posts the small blind of 15
heeroh posts the big blind of 30
Thebutton is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heeroh [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
JTmoney800 calls 15
heeroh checks
*** FLOP *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
heeroh checks
JTmoney800 bets 30
heeroh calls 30
*** TURN *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
heeroh checks
JTmoney800 checks
*** RIVER *** [4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
heeroh bets 90
JTmoney800 raises to 1,095, and is all in
heeroh

if y'all wanna comment on the second T7 hand (hand 5 - which btw i felt bad about directly afterwards but now can rationalize it) and the K2 hand (hand 6 - same feeling, mainly on the turn) then i'll accept that, too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

thanks everyone,
martin

bbbushu · #2 11-07-2007, 11:56 AM

bump for the morning crowd

OGS20 · #3 11-07-2007, 12:27 PM

That's a nasty spot. I'd fold. More likely he hit the flush than full house. Chance of trips, but to push when the flush hit seems very strong.

Kalledrengen · #4 11-07-2007, 01:18 PM

Really tough spot here.. From the past hands villain does not seem very wild or aggresive so this move is a bit weird. I'm not sure how I would weight the different possibility of holdings he could have, flush, trips, boat or perhaps even the same hand as you..

If he has not done a shove like this before I think I fold this, the pot is really small and although you have a super strong hand the board is pretty scary.

Interrested to hear if anyone think this is a clear call

emKay · #5 11-07-2007, 01:35 PM

Yeah, the flush is too likely, I fold here. I just cant imagine anyone shoving here as a total bluff. Trips are def a possibility, but you know, after hand 6 I label him as a retard. With trips he had to be betting the flop as a total bluff and picked up his queen on the turn. Retards love to bet again in this situation. Plus the 3flush on board should make him less inclined to shove with trips.

HokieGreg · #6 11-07-2007, 02:44 PM

It's probably a solid fold. If villain has anything worse than a flush he is basically turning his hand into a bluff by shoving that river. I would need a pretty solid read to make this call.