Can you fold? (Live)

[jasonfish11]

1/2NL ($100 max buy in)
I have $97 in chips all people involved in hand have me covered.

Im in the BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Min raised PF by a guy in early possition 5 limpers I call.

Flop
K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Check, check, Agro bets $10, fold, call, <font color="blue"> call </font>, Hero calls, fold, fold.

<font color="blue"> Guy that bet the flop most of the time will bet the turn unimproved. Lady that called is pretty tight/passive asian lady and I didnt really like her call but Im drawing to the second nuts and agro guy WILL pay me off a good % of the time if I hit.</font>

Turn
7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Agro checks, check, asian lady checks,

<font color="blue"> Hero is now frustrated because his c/rai plan against agro guy didnt work. This guy always bets the turn what happened? Oh that is right he must have bluffed the flop into 7 players? </font>

River
7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets $15, agro fold, fold, asian lady raises to $40, Hero???

Can any one fold here for $25 more? Anyone shove?

[Javanewt]

I can't fold, but that's not saying folding isn't a good choice. I want to shove, but don't really see the point. What would she call with that you beat, unless she's really bad and thinks her Ah7c is good?

[Mike Kelley]

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<font color="blue"> Hero is now frustrated because his c/rai plan against agro guy didnt work. This guy always bets the turn what happened? Oh that is right he must have bluffed the flop into 7 players? </font>

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He got 3 calls on his flop bet. he probably correctly guessed that one of you was on the flush draw, that's why he didn't bet and you should of.

[jasonfish11]

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I want to shove, but don't really see the point. What would she call with that you beat, unless she's really bad and thinks her Ah7c is good?

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She is bad and would probably call a shove with A7. But she wouldnt have called the flop bet with A7. She had something on the flop.
Not to mention, with how passive she had been. My thought process was more like "what does she raise with here that I have beat?" I gave her a really small range but figured I had to call getting 4:1 on my money.

I was just wondering how many people can fold here and what the well respected "winning" members would do.

[SABR42]

Easy call. She can easily have worse flush, etc...

[Sounded Simple]

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I was just wondering how many people can fold here and what the well respected "winning" members would do.

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Dont know what a winning respected player would think but here is my take [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Getting 4-1 I cant fold, even if your beat here a lot of the time.
Cant see her playing a set so passive with a very drawy board therefore I cant see a boat.

If she bets bigger then you would have a decision to make.

[SABR42]

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But she wouldnt have called the flop bet with A7.

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I think you underestimate how badly live players play.

Last time I played live $1/2, I had a hand that went like this:

I'm on the button with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4 players limp to me, I limp as well. 7-way limped pot (standard).

Flop comes Q-6-2 rainbow, giving me top pair no kicker. Everyone checks to me, I bet like 2/3 pot, figuring I'm good. I get THREE callers on this raggedy flop, so I'm thinking my hand is definitely no good now.

Turn is another 6, I'm thinking someone must have hit trips with their second pair. But everyone checks, I check.

River is a T, everyone checks again, I figure no point in betting, I check as well.

One of them had a low pocket pair, another had ace-high no draw, another had K-high no draw...

I win the pot. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[jasonfish11]

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I think you underestimate how badly live players play.

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Yes I realize this. But there is usually that one person that only bets the nuts or damn close to it. And she was that person.

But best decision of the night was made by my roommate.

$12 raise PF, roommate calls
569 flop
guy bets 10, roommate calls

Turn T
Guy bets $25, roommate calls

River J
Guy shoves $53, roommate tanks and says call, guy says your good, my roommate says "I thought bottom pair was good here", guy says yep and turns over A7, roommate turns over 45.

[SABR42]

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Yes I realize this. But there is usually that one person that only bets the nuts or damn close to it. And she was that person.

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Ah, ok. That changes things a little, but I still call.

[AlexB182]

call all day long live with that odds