PokerEV graphs... what do they mean? - Page 2

Sharagoz · #11 09-07-2007, 01:54 PM

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although i have seen graphs where the lines are all about equal and a couple where the green does exceed the others.

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Got an example of say 20k+ hands?
I'd need a winrate of 21 bb/100 to bring the green line up to the blue line..

Edukashun · #12 09-07-2007, 03:05 PM

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although i have seen graphs where the lines are all about equal and a couple where the green does exceed the others.

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Got an example of say 20k+ hands?
I'd need a winrate of 21 bb/100 to bring the green line up to the blue line..

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Check out this thread

Spurious · #13 09-07-2007, 03:22 PM

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although i have seen graphs where the lines are all about equal and a couple where the green does exceed the others.

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Got an example of say 20k+ hands?
I'd need a winrate of 21 bb/100 to bring the green line up to the blue line..

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I got one. My green graph is way higher than the other ones [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

Sharagoz · #14 09-07-2007, 03:25 PM

I should probably have added that I was talking about micro stakes when I said I had never seen a winning graph where the green line was above the blue line...

At the higher levels I imagine its very common to have the green line above the blue line because you play more power poker up there, basing a lot of your winnings on moving people of hands, meaning you often take the worst of it when all the money goes in. Doyle even says this in Super System when he talks about where his profit comes from. He says that over 50 % of the time he's taking the worst of it when all the money go in, and he makes up for it by stealing pots.

BTW, thanks for the link Edu. Very interesting to see the graph showing a guys graphs as he moved through the levels from 25NL to 400NL

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Spur posted while I was typing.
Wow, what stakes do you play Spur?

Spurious · #15 09-07-2007, 03:27 PM

My graph is NL5 and NL10 only.

Edukashun · #16 09-07-2007, 03:31 PM

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I should probably have added that I was talking about micro stakes when I said I had never seen a winning graph where the green line was above the blue line...

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True the nature of our opponents means they call too much and therefore LAGing it up makes no sense, we make money (or should be) VBing made hands = more showdowns

Edukashun · #17 09-07-2007, 03:34 PM

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My graph is NL5 and NL10 only.

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V.impressive

Sharagoz · #18 09-07-2007, 03:38 PM

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My graph is NL5 and NL10 only.

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Im suprised!
Are there less callingstations and more nits there?
I play NL50 and I couldnt imagine having a graph like yours..

Spurious · #19 09-07-2007, 03:48 PM

I think it's not only positive to have a graph like that.
For example:
The green line gets higher when i flop a set on a dry board.
I bet out, he raises me, I 3bet and he folds.
If I would call the flop, check the turn, he bets a again, i call. On the river I bet, he calls and I win. My green line would be closer to the blue one, and I would have won more money.

Brian · #20 09-14-2007, 02:08 PM

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although i have seen graphs where the lines are all about equal and a couple where the green does exceed the others.

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Got an example of say 20k+ hands?
I'd need a winrate of 21 bb/100 to bring the green line up to the blue line..

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Yeah, I've got one as well. It seems to be the norm though for the green line to be below the red/blue line in the micro/small stakes games - which makes total sense, because you have to show down a winner in these games, so there isnt any chance to pick up a lot of pots by stealing.

And the inverse is also true. When you're playing against tighter, thinking opponents, who are willing to laydown hands (i.e. the solid players who populate the mid-high stakes), then you're going to make the majority of your money by winning pots that don't go to showdown. By definition, if you get all-in/to a showdown against a solid player, you likely won't have the best of it.

If there's one thing I've learned from all these analyses, it's that the ability to adjust is the most important part of winning at online poker at the moment. While I think that some of the pro's at certain limits are very talented, thinking individuals, I suspect the majority of them probably just lucked into the right strategy to beat their limit. I.e., being a total (thinking) LAGtard will beat up the TAGs at the higher limits, and at the lower limits being a nitty TAG will rake in the money, and everything in between. Always adjust to your table.

Finally, here's two graphs, one from 200NL ring and the other from 400NL 6max. Same player (me), one with the oh-so-elusive green line on top, the other with the green line on bottom.