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#21
03-17-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
@ any rate, vs. locutus, I think 3-betting flop or calling/donking turn looks weakest. When you call and check turn, it looks like you have a monster or you're playing for pot control, which is not a good range for him to put you on no matter what his holding is.
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#22
03-17-2007, 04:23 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
Why is everyone considering AA such a fat part of locutus range? I may not know him as well as the rest of you but does he really only call with AA BTF especially with a laggy image? Is it nth level thinking in which case it's not working on any of you.
I wouldn't do it but the best way to get the most money is call, donk bet turn by putting a large stack infront of your cards to count out a bet, push the smaller bet foward and hope someone objects and calls the entire stack the bet. You then argue hard against it. Just kidding but it's something I saw recently on the U.S.P.C. and they did say the bet line didn't play at this tournament.
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#24
03-17-2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
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The point is that he's not going to be putting another chip in after this action unless he has at least AK. [/ QUOTE ] I agree and with AA out of his range call check turn is the only way to play it.
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#25
03-17-2007, 04:41 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
Im never putting the 3rd raise in with aa PF.
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#27
03-17-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
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[ QUOTE ] The point is that he's not going to be putting another chip in after this action unless he has at least AK. [/ QUOTE ] I agree and with AA out of his range call check turn is the only way to play it. [/ QUOTE ] No, I mean the rest of his range is irrelevant. Anything weaker than AK is not putting another chip in: it's not calling bets and it's not making bets so we are only concerned with getting value from the AK+ part of his range.
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#28
03-17-2007, 04:50 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The point is that he's not going to be putting another chip in after this action unless he has at least AK. [/ QUOTE ] I agree and with AA out of his range call check turn is the only way to play it. [/ QUOTE ] No, I mean the rest of his range is irrelevant. Anything weaker than AK is not putting another chip in: it's not calling bets and it's not making bets so we are only concerned with getting value from the AK+ part of his range. [/ QUOTE ] Right and isn't call, donk turn the standard 2+2 line with top set here.
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#29
03-17-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
I just looked over the link you provided, registrar. That is a different spot. A couple differences: Zee's OOP and his hand is more vulnerable and you make it quite easy on the opponent by trying to c/c down and vs. good opponents, this may very well be -EV. When you c/r, you give your opponent a tough decision w/ QQ+, protect vs. overcards, and presumably, have an easy decision if villain 3-bets the flop.
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#30
03-17-2007, 04:58 PM
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Re: I totally out of character play against 2+2er in Shooting Star
I know it's different. My point, which may not be a good one, is that villain is perhaps the kind to find out where he's at/slow villain down by raising AA/AK on the flop. The thing is, for both players, all of the rest of their range that is not AK+ is shutting down at some point.
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