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10-13-2007, 03:59 AM
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JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
I find this hand interesting because there are I think there are lessons to be learned on multiple streets. I'm pretty sure I played this correctly (except for maybe preflop) but I want to submit it to the forum as a sort of check up because I believe that a couple of the decisions are close.
That being said onto the hand. Villain in this hand is sort of weak tight postflop. Earlier this night he called down AA on a T high rainbow board after catching a flop raise. Of course, his hand was good. Preflop is a different story; he will largely play correctly there (e.g., he's not one of these donks that limps QQ or whatever because he's scared of the flop). Button is a TAGfish. He's one of those guys that plays only his starting hand value. For example he called a naked AK down earlier in the face of major aggression on two streets. His preflop ranges are TAG but he gets married to all his hands TT+, AK, AQ. He also kind of sucks postflop when he has an actual hand. I saw him check behind QQ on the river in one pot on a great board for his hand (J high, no flush, unlikely straight, paired deuces) against two fishy opponents that check called both the flop and turn. Canterbury Park 6/12, full game Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG folds, Hero limps, 1 fold, MP calls, HJ (Villain) raises, 1 fold, Button calls, blinds fold, Hero and MP call Flop (4 players, 9.5 SB): J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hero bets, MP folds, Villain raises, Button calls, Hero calls I picked this line at the time because I wanted it heads up (why? I can't remember. This whole hand has me so lost.) and to see where I was at. I'm thinking that maybe I should have checkraised instead. I would love some discussion about this decision, particularly about c/r vs. lead and possibly putting Button on a hand. Turn (3 players, 7.5 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero checks, Villain bets, Button calls, Hero... I'm torn. I have picked up a gutshot but it makes my T outs dirty as hell and I hate that the Button is still in the hand. Villain clearly has something he is showing down, which means that he's way ahead. I also have to discount the T and Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (but maybe not that much?). I have no idea what to do with my hand here. 
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#2
10-13-2007, 02:54 PM
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Re: JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
Preflop: Good.
Flop: Good. You don't want to go for a checkraise because you really can't count on villian betting AK and TT type hands with the read you have on him. Turn: I'm calling.
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#3
10-13-2007, 03:38 PM
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Re: JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
Flop: I like betting out here. Villain isn't raising AK/AQ on the flop. I think you can narrow his range down to probably something like AA-JJ (not sure if 99 is in his range or not), and AJ.
Turn: Based on your read of Villain, I doubt he's betting QQ or AJ again (correct me if I'm wrong). IMO this means he has AA, KK, or JJ (although unlikely considering you have a J). You probably have 5 or 6 outs for your gutshot + J and T outs. I think that makes this a call.
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10-13-2007, 04:54 PM
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Re: JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
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I doubt he's betting QQ or AJ again [/ QUOTE ] Correct. This is why I even start to hate my J and T outs; I think half the time he has KK and they're no damn good.
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#5
10-14-2007, 08:54 AM
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Re: JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
Pre flop and flop are good. I think the turn is pretty close. I'd put the button on a KQs,QJs,AK,AQ type of hand.Theres a good chance your J is no good against the villain and the T no good against button, who might also have one of the Queens you need.I'd call, but I think its really close.
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#6
10-15-2007, 07:22 AM
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Re: JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
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Flop: Good. You don't want to go for a checkraise because you really can't count on villian betting AK and TT type hands with the read you have on him. [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing without the OP's read, a c/r would be our default line?
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#7
10-15-2007, 08:25 AM
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Re: JT, interesting turn card against PF raiser
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[ QUOTE ] Flop: Good. You don't want to go for a checkraise because you really can't count on villian betting AK and TT type hands with the read you have on him. [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing without the OP's read, a c/r would be our default line? [/ QUOTE ] Since there is only one person us and the PFR I don't think it makes a much of a difference here if we lead or checkraise against most villians.
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