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Old 11-09-2007, 09:30 AM
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Default should I fold this KK preflop 100bb

UTG is 17/12 through 200ish hands
SB is 21/15 though 500ish hands

Both seem to play a tagish game, although UTG seems very unimaginative and SB seems to have more tricks up his sleeve, meaning I've seen him raise the flop in position with both a draw and a set.

Effective stacks of 100bb.

.25/.5 NL 6max

UTG raises $2. Hero make it $7 from the button with KK. SB lets his timer run about half way down and pushes(i know he plays multi-tables though so whatever). UTG lets his timer run down about half way and calls. Does hero ever fold this? If you say insta-call, at what size effective stacks does this call become a fold?

What about AK?
What about QQ?
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:34 AM
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Default Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb

Didnt read post, just title and the answer is NO.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:41 AM
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Didnt read post, just title and the answer is NO.

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Old 11-09-2007, 09:42 AM
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Default Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb

With this lines it is impossible to put any of the villains on AA, although SB's line is pretty strong. But as range prob is QQ+/AK+ i would never fold here and my money goes in.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:43 AM
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Didnt read post, just title and the answer is NO.

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i guess i can get my post count up too if i do this all the time
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:45 AM
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Default Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb

I can't think of one single reason why you'd ever want to fold KK preflop in a cash game. Easy insta-call, you have equity vs both villians' ranges.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:46 AM
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Default Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb

When this has been discussed about 1000000000000 times, then you get a simple answer. Oh and I see you give some quality responses as well by quoting mine and discussing. Next time try the search button.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:52 AM
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I can't think of one single reason why you'd ever want to fold KK preflop in a cash game. Easy insta-call, you have equity vs both villians' ranges.

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$1 blinds
SB goes all in for 1 meeeiiillllllliiiooonnnn dollers. Your in the bb. There, I gave you a reason
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: should I fold this KK preflop 100bb

Im serious, use the search button if you dont want to believe the advice we have given. I dont care if he had AA this time or not, over time you will show a profit. If villain ever does this with AK or QQ then this becomes an insta call and thats a pretty tight range. Throw JJ in there and you can double fist pump while calling.
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:54 AM
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When this has been discussed about 1000000000000 times, then you get a simple answer. Oh and I see you give some quality responses as well by quoting mine and discussing. Next time try the search button.

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btw I was the SB in this hand. And nobody has addressed what button should do with QQ/AK
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