Pooh-Bah - Crushing Short Stacks

[Rocco]

This is a very, very good post. Thanks, CMAR!

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jesus, Im short stacking nl25 and nl50 atm to clear the stars bonus as my roll is a bit short, I will def have to give it up now once I've finished my bonus.

[threads13]

Looks good. I am about half way through it.

[QTip]

Wow dude. Great read. This should be submitted to the magazine for an easy $200.

Props.

[threads13]

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You need a hand which has 38.55% equity against short stack's range to make a call break-even.

If short stack has a range of 88+/AT+
AK has 55.54% equity vs range
AQ has 47.26% equity vs range
AJ has 39.186 equity vs range
AT has 31.63% equity vs range
99 has 45.61% equity vs range
88 has 41.83% equity vs range
55 has 39.88% equity vs range
44 has 39.41% equity vs range
33 has 38.87% equity vs range
22 has 38.28% equity vs range
76s has 32.8% equity vs range

If short stack has a range of TT+/AJ+
AK has 54.19% equity vs range
AQ has 42.49% equity vs range
AJ has 31.18% equity vs range
TT has 43.79% equity vs range
99 has 40.86% equity vs range
44 has 39.93% equity vs range
33 has 39.36% equity vs range
22 has 38.75% equity vs range
76s has 33.39% equity vs range

If short stack has a range of JJ+/AQ+
AK has 50.11% equity vs range
AQ has 33.07% equity vs range
JJ has 42.745% equity vs range
TT has 40.11% equity vs range
99 has 39.32% equity vs range
66 has 39.25% equity vs range
55 has 39.044% equity vs range
44 has 38.525% equity vs range
76s has 32.772% equity vs range

As you can see you're going to be getting it in behind the short stack's range quite a bit. However, the dead money in the pot dictates your calling range.

Against the loosest range, call 33+/AJ+.

Against the medium range, call 22+/AQ+.

Against the tightest range, call 55+/AK+.

In addition, this assumes villain has a stack size of exactly 20BB. This often isn't the case. So, how small a stack does villain need to have to make calling with 22/AQ/76s break-even in those situations above where it is otherwise a fold?

If villain has an 18BB stack, the pot is 23.5BB and you need to call 14BB. Break-even is 37.33% equity.

If villain has an 15BB stack, the pot is 20.5BB and you need to call 11BB. Break-even is 34.92% equity.

Villain's stack actually has to get down around 10-11BB for the equity value to shift enough to make 22/AQ/76s calls in these situations.

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Our equity is larger with(vs that range) so we should call vs that range with 18BB stacks and 15BB stacks, should we not?

The rest checks out very well. Nice post, I think it was needed with all the people whining about short stacking but not learning to play against it.

[MadMike]

frickin' awesome.

Didn't realize how crappy I played against tight shortstacks until I read this. Great insight into the shortstack mentality. No idea why I'm not occasionally calling ss raises from with blinds with a wider range and then open-donk pushing flops OOP into the fvckers and doing other crap to mess with them and embraseing the variance. I should have figured this out... but haven't really been thinking about playing against them- more about extracting from bad deep stacks.

just frickin' awesome!

[CazicT]

Awesome post, though the SSers at the level i've been playing at tend to just give me their money so i've never had a problem with them. This info will definetly be helpful as I progress and see better shorties.

[Cry Me A River]

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Our equity is larger with(vs that range) so we should call vs that range with 18BB stacks and 15BB stacks, should we not?

The rest checks out very well. Nice post, I think it was needed with all the people whining about short stacking but not learning to play against it.


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You're right, against the loose range we can quickly add 22 into the mix. Calling 22 was never very much of a mistake anyway and since it's right on the cusp you should often be calling with it because these loose short stacks are often even looser than the range I've given them - Many of them will push any PP or hands like KQ/KJ.

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CMAR
v. nice, ModOfTheYear vote from me.

CDL - be cool, just play as a good SSer, it remains unexploitable strat.

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haha, I try. He made one suggestion in there that I really have never figured out how to deal with in 50k hands or so and obv no other SS talk about strat with each other. I know how to deal with the rest and I can still beat the full stacks even if they make their calling ranges "perfect". I think I'll be playing full for quite a few hands though since some stuff just clicked.

Good post btw.

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CMAR
v. nice, ModOfTheYear vote from me.

CDL - be cool, just play as a good SSer, it remains unexploitable strat.

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haha, I try. He made one suggestion in there that I really have never figured out how to deal with in 50k hands or so and obv no other SS talk about strat with each other. I know how to deal with the rest and I can still beat the full stacks even if they make their calling ranges "perfect". I think I'll be playing full for quite a few hands though since some stuff just clicked.

Good post btw.

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I'm hearing this "clicked" thing from several lately.

What do you think is the biggest "clicking" for you lately? What happened, did you try full buyin and things not go well, and then decided to ss?
Not to HJ the thread, but I'm interested in your story there.