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11-17-2007, 07:28 PM
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blindstealing raise sizes
i saw carrotsnakes video today where he said he likes 3x raises on the button with tight players in the blinds, and 4x raises for loose players
does anyone else do this, it seems like a pretty good idea. anyone think extending it is also good, like if the blinds are really really loose you can raise 5x etc. 
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#4
11-17-2007, 09:25 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
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4 or 5 times is good against loose players IMO. The bet pot button makes it 3.5X if there's no limpers which is way to convenient, take the time and make it 4 or 5X's. [/ QUOTE ] i play on party, so my standard raise has been 4x for ages. one advantage of dropping down to 3x against tighter players is that you will be 3bet most often by TAGs. so by raising 3BB there raise will be 9-12BB allowing you to call more often and outplay them postflop because there is greater room to manoever, or just call with a wider range because of the greater implied odds. also your bluff 4bets will be less committing and expensive so you can do them more often. if we look at just the implied odds difference... stacks 100BB. you button raise to 4BB. TAG in BB raises to 15BB. so you have to call 11BB to win his stack (85BB) + money already in pot (20BB). 11BB to win 105BB means you need to stack him at least 10.5% of the time to break even. you button raise to 3BB. TAG in BB raises to 10BB. so you have to call 7BB to win his stack (93BB) + money already in pot (11BB). 7BB to win 104BB means you need to stack him only 6.5% of the time to break even. so this difference is pretty much the difference between having to fold 22 and being able to call and literally only set mine.
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#5
11-17-2007, 09:29 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
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slightly off topic, but carrotsnake vid? linky? [/ QUOTE ] http://www.leggopoker.com/ it's a new site that had the grand opening today. i bought a full years membership in advance today w/o seeing the videos first. i'm such a fish. if they are not good i know who to complain to [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#6
11-17-2007, 09:32 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
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I play on party, so my standard raise has been 4x for ages. one advantage of dropping down to 3x against tighter players is that you will be 3bet most often by TAGs. so by raising 3BB there raise will be 9-12BB allowing you to call more often and outplay them postflop because there is greater room to manoever, or just call with a wider range because of the greater implied odds. also your bluff 4bets will be less committing and expensive so you can do them more often. if we look at just the implied odds difference... stacks 100BB. you button raise to 4BB. TAG in BB raises to 15BB. so you have to call 11BB to win his stack (85BB) + money already in pot (20BB). 11BB to win 105BB means you need to stack him at least 10.5% of the time to break even. you button raise to 3BB. TAG in BB raises to 10BB. so you have to call 7BB to win his stack (93BB) + money already in pot (11BB). 7BB to win 104BB means you need to stack him only 6.5% of the time to break even. so this difference is pretty much the difference between having to fold 22 and being able to call and literally only set mine. [/ QUOTE ] nh, good breakdown.
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#7
11-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
Not only do my steal raises depend on players but also my hands. My standard open is always 4x but when I have a pkt pair in CO or BTN I make it 3x so I am not outpriced to call a RR.
Against loose fish in the blinds who call almost anything I make my better hands 4x to punish them and average hands 3x, so my C-bet is also smaller vs the bad players.
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#8
11-17-2007, 10:03 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
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i saw carrotsnakes video today where he said he likes 3x raises on the button with tight players in the blinds, and 4x raises for loose players does anyone else do this, it seems like a pretty good idea. anyone think extending it is also good, like if the blinds are really really loose you can raise 5x etc. [/ QUOTE ] i used to do this for the same reasons. now, i don't
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#9
11-17-2007, 10:33 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
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[ QUOTE ] i saw carrotsnakes video today where he said he likes 3x raises on the button with tight players in the blinds, and 4x raises for loose players does anyone else do this, it seems like a pretty good idea. anyone think extending it is also good, like if the blinds are really really loose you can raise 5x etc. [/ QUOTE ] i used to do this for the same reasons. now, i don't [/ QUOTE ] care to elaborate...
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#10
11-17-2007, 10:35 PM
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Re: blindstealing raise sizes
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Not only do my steal raises depend on players but also my hands. My standard open is always 4x but when I have a pkt pair in CO or BTN I make it 3x so I am not outpriced to call a RR. Against loose fish in the blinds who call almost anything I make my better hands 4x to punish them and average hands 3x, so my C-bet is also smaller vs the bad players. [/ QUOTE ] this isn't so hot, it is pretty exploitable. strength of hand to determine size of raise is something you want to be avoiding. people will be able to narrow your range if they are any good.
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