I would have won if..... but ....???

[PHiLLeDINGUE]

But....?? is that still right with 2 players in the pot to just call that little reraise ??? BB in the hand is PokerThuggin(28-11) and CO is Rounder9999(24-15).... I'm kind of not sure of his range for reraising and I'm in position, but I kind of forgot about the caller behind...

with rounder9999 behind me that cold call, is that insta 3bet ?? any other comments ?? (beside learn english!! that's because I'm learning more how to speak then how to write...sorry about that)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">BB ($2427.36)</font>
UTG ($3009.32)
Hero ($2471)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($3673)</font>
Button ($1755)
SB ($3429.93)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $80</font>, CO calls $80, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $170</font>, Hero calls $110, CO calls $110.

Flop: ($580) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $166</font>, Hero calls $166, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $700</font>, BB calls $534, Hero folds.

Turn: ($2146) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $500</font>, BB calls $500.

River: ($3146) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $1555</font>, BB calls $1037.36 (All-In).

Final Pot: $5738.36

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Js Jc (one pair, jacks).
CO has 4h 4c (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: CO wins $5738.36. </font>

[luckychewy]

Wow, have you seem the CO make plays like this before? The BB's hand really looks like AA/KK when he calls the flop, I can't blame you for mucking queens here.

[cts]

I would definitely 4-bet big preflop. PokerThuggin is terrible and could have all sorts of garbage and Rounder9999 could be calling his tiny 3-bet with a lot of hands due to the sick implied odds PokerThuggin gives (evidenced by this hand).

By the way your English is just fine, your posts are perfectly readable.

[raptor517]

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Wow, have you seem the CO make plays like this before? The BB's hand really looks like AA/KK when he calls the flop, I can't blame you for mucking queens here.

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post flop looks very standard too me. i usually put in another raise pf tho.. i dont think its bad though to just call.. ill have to think more on it. holla

[luckychewy]

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Wow, have you seem the CO make plays like this before? The BB's hand really looks like AA/KK when he calls the flop, I can't blame you for mucking queens here.

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post flop looks very standard too me. i usually put in another raise pf tho.. i dont think its bad though to just call.. ill have to think more on it. holla

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From the way your post is worded it seems like you're disagreeing with me, but from what I can see we both agree on the fold. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Also, I didn't know BB was bad which leans more on 4-betting PF to $500ish(?), are you guys folding to a 5-bet even from a bad player? Again I don't know his tendencies to overplay or whatever, just a few thoughts though.

[B Buddy]

I don't mind the way you played this against these 2 players. I think you are behind here most of the time after the flop action. Preflop looks good. Rerasing preflop is an option - but you do run the risk of getting shut out of the pot. I like a call here in position as a default against a solid type player like the BB.

[MDMA]

I definately just call that raise preflop (even if it means CO is getting in behind), you're just gonna chase away all worse hands by raising again, and set you up to get real comitted if he has aces or kings. As for the flop I'm not so sure, I think I make it 600 a lot of the time, problem with that is that you can't really call a push from either one so you're basically only raising to shut out CO from the hand. Calling does present a lot of problems though; CO will interpret your cold-call as definite weakness, and if he's willing to gamble that BB isn't to strong either with that very strange bet, he just might shut you both out w/ weak holdings here. Also, if you just cold-call, there is just a LOT of scarecards on turn and it will be hard to play from there as well when you've declared so much weakness on the flop as well. When you do call and get raised behind it's an easy fold as soon as BB called. If he didn't, I'd probably lay it down a whole lot anyway, even if it means I'm gonna be ahead some of the time when he raises with a flushdraw or even air. Given preflop action and flop action, I just think he's still very often gonna call with a lot of weaker draws given that he can close action and get there real cheap, regardless of the fact that he might see an opportunity to raise two people who have shown weakness here. Even though we should probably never be that strong, he can never know about BB. Min-raise preflop and that small bet on flop can definately mean AA/KK just wanting to get raised if he's somewhat of a fish (which he obviously is just given those two actions).

[BLdSWtTRs]

This is obviously a tough spot. And in this particular case it cost you. But if the flop was 239, this particular player with JJ would have payed you off.

[luckychewy]

Wow raptor my bad, I just realized it was 743 I misread it for 753... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[samoleus]

yes, but if the flop was 239 and the player shows a lot of strength, does phil make it showdown?