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10-10-2007, 03:04 AM
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Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
10/20, fullring. CO limps pre, SB follows, I check my option with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB is tsarrast, a TAG regular type guy, we don't have much history that I recall. CO is a semiloose-passive regular. Eff stacks $3500.
Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB pots to $60, I call, CO folds. Turn Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB pots $180, I call again, because I like my implieds, and I've got plenty of bluff cards. River A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. He leads $475 into $540, I raise to $1275. He times down and makes it $2440. On one hand, I can't think of many hands that he could have with two spades, given his flop pot and the fact that I have the 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. But making thousand-dollar reads based on sixty dollar flop bets is certainly not foolproof. On the other hand, his river 3-bet is kinda small (even leaves me some money behind). But is that because he wants to squeeze value, or because a re-bluff doesn't need to be too big here? So, call or fold? And how do you like the rest of the hand? And also, because I'm a little curious and a little sick in the head, how deep do we have to be before you'd like a river 4-bet bluffshove? Cause I think that would be sexy. 
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#2
10-10-2007, 03:05 AM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
why cant he have the nuts?
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#3
10-10-2007, 03:15 AM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Seems like his range to lead the flop could be as wide as his range to limp the SB. High spades are a much bigger part of his range than they are of yours, but I guess that might be why he made the 3bet.
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#4
10-10-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm Seems like his range to lead the flop could be as wide as his range to limp the SB. High spades are a much bigger part of his range than they are of yours, but I guess that might be why he made the 3bet. [/ QUOTE ] Agree w/ this. Imo, betting with a v wide range in a 3-way limped pot like this is, at a minimum, neutral EV compared with only betting 45, 32, sets, mid pps, 9s. Betting overcards + bdfd + bdsd (KJs, KTs) is profitable most of the time in his spot. This doesn't mean he has spades enough to make it a fold, just that requiring his range to interact strongly with the flop doesn't make sense to me. It's not like he raised a raiser's cbet; he just donked a limped pot. The turn pot, after the flop is called, probably weights him away from air, but on the turn, spades isn't air anymore. I throw up and call the river, because I don't like to fold.
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#7
10-10-2007, 03:16 AM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
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why cant he have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] sure he can, if he potted flop into two people with KsXs. i'm mainly wondering if I win this 20% or 25% or whatever it takes to call, and if my line in the rest of the hand was most appropriate for the situation
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#8
10-10-2007, 03:29 AM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
u do win 20% or 25% or whatever.
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#9
10-10-2007, 03:30 AM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
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[ QUOTE ] why cant he have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] sure he can, if he potted flop into two people with KsXs. i'm mainly wondering if I win this 20% or 25% or whatever it takes to call, and if my line in the rest of the hand was most appropriate for the situation [/ QUOTE ] I would pot it with a flush draw in his spot... I'd payoff in yours too, because there is an off chance he has the same hand or is retarded.
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#10
10-10-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: Rivered my wheel but this doesn\'t smell too good
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why cant he have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] sure he can, if he potted flop into two people with KsXs. i'm mainly wondering if I win this 20% or 25% or whatever it takes to call, and if my line in the rest of the hand was most appropriate for the situation [/ QUOTE ] I would pot it with a flush draw in his spot... [/ QUOTE ] the spades came backdoor, i dont think you pot flops with all your backdoor flush draws this hand is super weird, 32ss makes sense but no way he 3 bets river. i might just call because i couldn't figure out wtf he has.
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