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#1
11-07-2007, 12:44 AM
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Top pair no kicker
SB is 37% VPIP, super aggressive, but I only have 57 hands on him so it could be muck. I don't know UTG, UTG +2 is the classic fish, plays crap out of position and sucks postflop.
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>... Raise good here? My thinking is that if I'm 3bet I call and make a decision on the turn depending on what falls. Also a decent chance of them checking the river to me, giving me more opportunities to get ahead of bigger kickers. 
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#2
11-07-2007, 12:57 AM
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Re: Top pair no kicker
I would usually call down here and let SB bet the hand for me. The board isnt drawy and the pot is small, so there isnt a great need to protect. If you do get aggressive, you may waste bets when you are outkicked.
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#5
11-07-2007, 09:41 AM
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Re: Top pair no kicker
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I would usually call down here and let SB bet the hand for me. The board isnt drawy and the pot is small, so there isnt a great need to protect. If you do get aggressive, you may waste bets when you are outkicked. [/ QUOTE ] If this were a heads up situation I would agree with you that we call down when the villain may be firing with complete air and we don't want him folding. However, since we have two callers sandwiched I raise here to build the pot when we are likely ahead. I don't even mind being three bet by the super aggressive villain if it gets the two others to fold. OP: If this gets checked to us on the turn this is not a situation where we want to take a free card. It will be highly likely you are ahead at that point and you should value bet and make the others pay to draw.
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#7
11-07-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: Top pair no kicker
* grunch *
I'm inclined to raise in that situation and I have scars to prove it. The advantage of getting 3-bet is it faces the UTGs with two bets so you may get rid of them, isolating and in position. Doesn't tell you much about SB's hand, though.
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#8
11-07-2007, 03:10 PM
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Re: Top pair no kicker
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I don't get raising here at all. [/ QUOTE ] Top pair with a BDFD and a longshot straight draw. Gives me a possible free card on the turn, and anyone with a stronger ace (like maybe SB) is likely to 3bet and/or donk turn - which gives me information for my turn decision. Calling is asking for a turn donk from SB, and it's likely I'm outkicked and would be folding without an improvement (IMO). Raising gives me up to two more streets, or the information I need to fold that top pair early. If I am ahead, it gives me the two players in the middle adding value to my pot. And even if I am behind, which is very possible with my weak kicker, the total of 4 people in the pot gives me enough equity to make the flop raise profitable (I think). The next street plays itself (IMO), as does the rest of the hand.
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#9
11-07-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: Top pair no kicker
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[ QUOTE ] I don't get raising here at all. [/ QUOTE ] Top pair with a BDFD and a longshot straight draw. Gives me a possible free card on the turn, and anyone with a stronger ace (like maybe SB) is likely to 3bet and/or donk turn - which gives me information for my turn decision. Calling is asking for a turn donk from SB, and it's likely I'm outkicked and would be folding without an improvement (IMO). Raising gives me up to two more streets, or the information I need to fold that top pair early. If I am ahead, it gives me the two players in the middle adding value to my pot. And even if I am behind, which is very possible with my weak kicker, the total of 4 people in the pot gives me enough equity to make the flop raise profitable (I think). The next street plays itself (IMO), as does the rest of the hand. [/ QUOTE ] if SB is as aggro as you say, why are you so sure he wouldnt 3 bet with a hand like A2 or 8x? i like the flop raise fwiw, but its for value. i wouldnt attempt to get much information from it.
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#10
11-07-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: Top pair no kicker
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SB is 37% VPIP, super aggressive, but I only have 57 hands on him so it could be muck. I don't know UTG, UTG +2 is the classic fish, plays crap out of position and sucks postflop. Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>... [/ QUOTE ] Turn7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB checks</font>, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font> Everybody calls. Now I have top pair, a nut flush draw and a gutshot straight draw, so a bet is standard IMO. River J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] And the rest plays itself. The flop decision was the trickiest, which is why I posted it here. The rest was fairly straightforward.
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