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11-28-2007, 11:37 PM
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Re: management argue
This came up a couple of years ago. There were a lot of very experienced people on both sides of this. I have always ruled 600 more from the current bet (making it 1500), but there are a number of people whose opinion I value on this that tell me it should be 600 than the previous raise. I think they are wrong as completing the bet is strictly a limit concept.
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#2
11-29-2007, 01:38 AM
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Re: management argue
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completing the bet is strictly a limit concept. [/ QUOTE ] There you go again, making distinctions between limit and no-limit rules. Poker has been homogenized. Get with the times.
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#3
11-29-2007, 02:23 AM
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Re: management argue
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[ QUOTE ] completing the bet is strictly a limit concept. [/ QUOTE ] There you go again, making distinctions between limit and no-limit rules. Poker has been homogenized. Get with the times. [/ QUOTE ] Doing some training in about Feb I had a dealer basically tell me that (in a serious manner) when I was explaining what is and isn't a string bet. he said something to the effect that I was being dumb that it either is or isn't a string bet.
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#4
11-29-2007, 11:13 AM
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Re: management argue
the action to the player in question is 900 to go
... a raise of 700. the correct min raise would be to 1600 (700 + 700 + 200) the initial raiser's action is void because the raise of the all in player is greater.
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#5
11-29-2007, 01:17 PM
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Re: management argue
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the action to the player in question is 900 to go ... a raise of 700. the correct min raise would be to 1600 (700 + 700 + 200) the initial raiser's action is void because the raise of the all in player is greater. [/ QUOTE ] The all in player didn't raise. He went all in for less then a full raise, so his action is treated as a call. This closes the action if no one else raises behind him and players who have already acted can only call the all in or fold.
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#6
11-29-2007, 02:58 PM
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Re: management argue
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[ QUOTE ] the action to the player in question is 900 to go ... a raise of 700. the correct min raise would be to 1600 (700 + 700 + 200) the initial raiser's action is void because the raise of the all in player is greater. [/ QUOTE ] The all in player didn't raise. He went all in for less then a full raise, so his action is treated as a call. This closes the action if no one else raises behind him and players who have already acted can only call the all in or fold. [/ QUOTE ] NO NO NO NO the question is not what action did the all in player take? (in limit this would be considered a call and the only action the the next proceeding player could take would be to complete the bet, but this is NL, completely different), the question is... what is the action to the player in question (the player who wants to min raise)? THE ACTION TO THIS PLAYER IS.... a raise of 700 to 900. so, 900 to call 700 to raise yes i know that much of the software online would consider the minraises to be 1400
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#7
11-29-2007, 08:31 PM
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Re: management argue
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the correct min raise would be to 1600 (700 + 700 + 200) [/ QUOTE ] Wow. Bold and screaming -- and you are really bad at this. When was there ever a 700 raise to set that as the amount of the min-raise?
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#8
11-29-2007, 10:15 PM
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Re: management argue
In the Hawaiian Gardens double the bet rule, which bet are you doubling? The bey, the raise, or the total calling amount?
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#9
11-30-2007, 06:43 AM
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Re: management argue
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[ QUOTE ] the correct min raise would be to 1600 (700 + 700 + 200) [/ QUOTE ] Wow. Bold and screaming -- and you are really bad at this. When was there ever a 700 raise to set that as the amount of the min-raise? [/ QUOTE ] moron.... it's not, when was there a raise to 700?, it's, what is the action to the player in question? (a raise of 700) please somehow try to manage to get your mind out of the limit gutter
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#10
11-29-2007, 02:25 PM
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Re: management argue
Isn't this really a two part question?
1.) what is the minimum the player can raise? The answer here is clearly 600. 2.) What is the players minimum bet, chould he chose to raise? IMO, I don't see how the answer could be anything other than 1500. If he just wants to call how much does he need to put out? 900 right? So adding the minimum raise of 600 to that = 1500. So a minimum bet is 1500 but the raise amount is only 600. Feel free to correct. ps. If we look at it from a side pot point of veiw and assume three players. Ignore blinds. Main pot should be 2700. All in of 900 plus the two callers. With two raises of 600 for two players side pot should be 1200. If we allow second player to only bet 1400 and initial raiser to call this well have 1400 + 1400 + 900. Side pot ends up only being 1000. Or am I wrong here too?
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