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Old 11-27-2007, 06:49 PM
negipai98 negipai98 is offline
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Default 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Pot

Thoughts on how to play this one? No solid reads on villain although he seemed reasonably straightforward. I had been fairly aggressive so far pre-flop (not out of line but more active than most) but had not shown down any weak hands yet.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)
saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($39)</font>
UTG+1 ($19.35)
MP1 ($24.75)
MP2 ($5.85)
MP3 ($19.30)
CO ($3.10)
Button ($31.90)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($48.55)</font>
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.85, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1.55</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.60, MP3 calls $0.60.

Flop: ($4.70) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($8.70) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, SB calls $6.

River: ($26.70) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $26.55 (All-In)</font>, SB calls $26.55.

Final Pot: $79.80

Results aside (which I'll post later if anyone cares) I can't say I liked how I played this hand on any sreet except for pre-flop. Any ideas/thoughts would be hugely appreciated.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

I would raise flop. Having not done that the turn is fine. I'd check the river.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

First fold Preflop, KQs UTG isn't a great hand

second u have to raise that flop! u want to protect ur hand!

u don't want to see a 4th diamond or the board paired on the turn
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

KQs is a borderline raise for me UTG, but I could just be a nit. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

PLEASE raise this flop. Villain's either pricing himself with a 1-diamond hand or trying to buy the pot cheap. Raise more on the turn as well. (12-14) Check behind on the river. The A is just about the worst card you could see here (except a diamond of course) as any set or 2pair hand including an ace just passed you. This is one of those situations where only better hands will call you.
Learn to spot situations like this and ask yourself if anything that you beat will call here. If not, it's better to just check behind. (The same goes for folding out things that beat you, but the only things that beat you are flushes and full houses and they ain't folding!) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Pot

Flop: you really donīt want to see any A,T,J as they can make a boat, nor do you want to see any diamond, as you will either loose the pot or if still ahead the action is killed, plus you donīt want to see any K or Q as you will either split the pot or else the action is dead again.
Saying he is "reasonably straightforward" means to say heīs reraising from the sb playing tons of hand w/ both cards being ten or higher... raise this!!

River: if he is as weak as to "legitimately" check the river, heīs not going to call this. If not, I smell trouble.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Pot

Raise more on the turn.

River is an easy shove.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

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Check behind on the river. The A is just about the worst card you could see here (except a diamond of course) as any set or 2pair hand including an ace just passed you. This is one of those situations where only better hands will call you.

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This is horrible advice.

River is an easy shove if you do some hand reading.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

The only hands that make sense here (in terms of preflop, flop and turn) are KxKd and QxQd and AxKd. I think these hands would have to be pretty terrible to call a shove from a UTG raiser on this river.
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

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This is horrible advice.

River is an easy shove if you do some hand reading.

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So whatīs the range you give him?
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: 25NL: Flop B\'way on Flush Board - Board Pairs on River - 320BB Po

Flat-calling the flop is beyond disgusting. SBs range nailed that board and we have what is effectively the nuts.
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