$22 huge spew?

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t80/t160
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t2185
CO: t920
Button: t3255
SB: t950
hero: t6190

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is BB with :ts :8h
UTG folds, CO raises all-in t920</font>, Button folds, SB raises all-in t950</font>, hero calls t790

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[ymu]

You don't *need* to call it, but I don't hate it. I do it for fun sometimes with that kind of stack. And I OBJECT to small stacks doubling up off each other dammit.

Should also come in handy on the bubble if they know big stack is calling that loose.

[Shillx]

-EV but not terrible. Probably call with T8s.

[Bronstein]

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-EV but not terrible. Probably call with T8s.

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I don't get it; your odds aren't good, your cards aren't good and SB didn't have to get involved.

You're probably up vs 3 overcards. Is it really worth spending so many chips on a long shot? Seems very -EV imo.

Things would be very different with better odds though.

[holy32]

I don't see the point. "For fun" shouldn't really be a reason. You are not getting sufficient pot odds vs any kind of reasonable range. I think it's spew.

[Little John]

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-EV but not terrible. Probably call with T8s.

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Sometimes when you make a play because you are not sure you can later review the hand and find out you made a mistake/bad play. It happens. I think this is one of those hands you can just look at and you pretty much know calling is neg $EV and neg cEV, so if you know that then calling is terrible.

I think calling T8s would be just bad. You need about 27% equity fro cEV = 0, and I think you are closer to 25% depending on ranges. But I just don't see the need to call a marginal situation. You have a huge stacka and the bubble is going to start next hand.

Edit - sorry if that came off like i am a jerk, certainly not my intent. I'd be interested in any additinal analysis you can provide.

[simonpoker]

T8s isn't that bad T8o is bad and a slight -EV

[Shillx]

Hey John,

We need about 30% equity to call this and that is just about what T8s has against typical ranges (30/20). We still have &gt;28% equity against tight ranges (20/13). Even if we have just 25% equity (10/10) it still isn't that big of a mistake (0.4%).

[ymu]

The fun is pwning them on the bubble 'cos they know I will call a push with T8o.

I really don't care about those chips - they'll probably do more good in this pot than sitting in my stack for the reasons stated above. If I lose I still have a big lead, and a table image which will come in well handy.


E2A: knocking two players out also massively boosts your equity - it's not just the simple addition of another 1900 chips to your stack.