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Old 11-01-2007, 10:01 AM
darinvg darinvg is offline
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Default $114: QQ

Unknown villain. Should I be raising the turn? Now there's one card to the straight on the river (plus a ton of other stuff) but I'm getting great odds. Call?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t195) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, BB calls t150.

Turn: (t495) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t180</font>, Hero calls t180.

River: (t855) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t330</font>, Hero?
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:19 AM
Niggel Niggel is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

Tough spot. I think calling the turn is fine.

I think I would fold the river because you have just ~650 left when you call and lose.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:21 AM
sean457j sean457j is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

Why has the BB suddenly taken an interest in the hand on the turn? It looks like the villain is trying to extract value from a full house (or I suppose he could have made the flush on the flop and is now trying to see how you react to his bets).

However this maybe some bluff made to look like a value bet, saying that I would probably give it up on the river.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:40 AM
Newbie236 Newbie236 is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

What hands can we beat on the end here? AJ, KJ?

This early, I would consider folding the turn. I think the deck has hit him over the head and he's extracting value. We've got no re-draw and have no idea where we are in the hand. A turn raise commits half our stack while possibly drawing super slim. Find a better spot.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:49 AM
TruFloridaGator TruFloridaGator is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

Don't raise the turn, we're likely behind &amp; can't afford to bloat the pot. Calling is fine, folding the river is best.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:12 PM
w33ktight w33ktight is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

Calling on the river is probably -EV but I wouldn't be surprised if you called and won. His line looks super fishy like he wants you to fold an overpair. I would still fold though, if you call and lose its a big % of your stack.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:38 PM
Little John Little John is offline
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Don't raise the turn, we're likely behind &amp; can't afford to bloat the pot. Calling is fine, folding the river is best.

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Old 11-01-2007, 12:45 PM
suzzer99 suzzer99 is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

Fine as played. River is very close. I probably call vs. an unknown. Worrying about how much you have left after a call is bad thinking. This early it should be pure cEV (minus whatever you think your edge is of course).
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:58 PM
rakes.a.beach rakes.a.beach is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

river is easy fold
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:05 PM
linuxrocks linuxrocks is offline
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Default Re: $114: QQ

Does any one like a flop check? I occasionally do that in cash games on such a draw heavy board.
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