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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
Putting up obnoxious bulk numbers does not equal "MPV" - or at least it shouldn't. Cavs have more talent than Lakers, Cavs play in markedly inferior conference, Lakers have better record. Kobe is a better basketball player - he's just realized (two years too late imo) that he doesn't need to score 40 a game.
LeBron's bulk will decline over time as he shifts from individual excellence to improving his teammates. Nash and Duncan should be the top 2 on any MVP ballot until further notice, although I agree that Garnett warrants inclusion in that conversation if Boston wins 50+ (same for Kobe, though the 50+ is a lot less likely). Dirk getting a "lifetime achievement award" a la Karl Malone was pathetic. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
IrishHand,
LeBron's supporting cast is worse than Kobes. Odom, Walton and Caron are arguably better than anyone on the Cavs. I think MJ should be number one on the ballot until further notice. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
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Cavs have more talent than Lakers [/ QUOTE ] the non-boobie teammates of lebron are simply godawful. i mean, i like z and all, but damn. this is not a good basketball team. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
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Dirk getting a "lifetime achievement award" a la Karl Malone was pathetic. [/ QUOTE ] Not only was Dirk the true MVP last year, he was probably robbed the year before. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
[ QUOTE ]
Putting up obnoxious bulk numbers does not equal "MPV" - or at least it shouldn't. Cavs have more talent than Lakers, Cavs play in markedly inferior conference, Lakers have better record. Kobe is a better basketball player - he's just realized (two years too late imo) that he doesn't need to score 40 a game. LeBron's bulk will decline over time as he shifts from individual excellence to improving his teammates. Nash and Duncan should be the top 2 on any MVP ballot until further notice, although I agree that Garnett warrants inclusion in that conversation if Boston wins 50+ (same for Kobe, though the 50+ is a lot less likely). Dirk getting a "lifetime achievement award" a la Karl Malone was pathetic. [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing in this post that didn't suck. Recape: you complain that Lebron has more talent around him than Kobe (which is hilarious since his team is as good or worse at every position except maaaybe point, and his bench is worse), you then decide that only Duncan and Nash (best supporting casts in basketball...) should be the only ones n the conversation except KG (other best supporting cast in basketball) "if" Boston wins 50+ (has to be at least even odds). Then you bitch about Dirk winning an award he deserved, comparing him to one of the best players at his position winning an award that he also deserved. I award you no points, etc. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
IrishHand is to Kobe as I am to Rondo.
It's okay to have mancrushes. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
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There's nothing in this post that didn't suck. [/ QUOTE ] I like a man who relies on logic and reason. [ QUOTE ] Recape: you complain that Lebron has more talent around him than Kobe (which is hilarious since his team is as good or worse at every position except maaaybe point, and his bench is worse), [/ QUOTE ] Whaaaaaa? Ilgauskas is superior to the Lakers C trio. A big 7'3" C who reliably produces 15/8 w/ a couple blocks a game? Give the Lakers a year and Bynum will eclipse him imo, but right now it's not close. Hughes is better than Walton on both ends of the floor. Gibson is worse than Fisher imo, but it's close. At worst, it's a push - and that's clouded by this season where the non-Kobe Lakers have looked better than they are and the non-LeBron Cavs have looked worse (except for Z). [ QUOTE ] you then decide that only Duncan and Nash (best supporting casts in basketball...) should be the only ones n the conversation except KG (other best supporting cast in basketball) "if" Boston wins 50+ (has to be at least even odds). [/ QUOTE ] What's your point? As another posted noted, we already had long thread about the best player in the NBA. The MVP is a subset of that discussion and I don't know how you can rationally get anyone into that duo (or trio) this season. Putting up silly bulk doesn't get past the fact that your team isn't that good. If the Cavs win 50, he should be in the conversation - but Duncan's probably still the Most Valuable Player for the 07/08 season. Dominant defensively (LeBron isn't even close) and changes the face of the game on offense (LeBron also does this). No clue what you're getting at with the Boston comment. I didn't say anything about likelihood (certainly better than even odds). [ QUOTE ] Then you bitch about Dirk winning an award he deserved, comparing him to one of the best players at his position winning an award that he also deserved. [/ QUOTE ] He only deserved it if both Duncan and Nash withdrew their names from consideration and didn't alert the media. And Malone wasn't even close to deserving it in 97. Have you heard of this Jordan fellow? [ QUOTE ] I award you no points, etc. [/ QUOTE ] Your point system will always be my guiding light. |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
"Hughes is better than Walton on both ends of the floor."
gg |
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Re: 2007-2008 NBA MVP
irishhand,
i'm better than larry hughes. |
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