50NL Toss AK?

[ship_it_trebek]

Villain running 16/8/3, however, I feel like I'm losing to almost all of his range here. But is folding too weak?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $132.60
BB: $34.85
UTG: $25.20
Hero (UTG+1): $50.00
MP1: $9.70
MP2: $76.35
MP3: $41.00
CO: $54.70
BTN: $18.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $2.00, MP3 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.00</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $4.00, MP2 calls $4.00

Flop: ($18.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="red">CO bets $15.00</font>

[Deathtiny]

i'd probably donk the flop and fold to a raise, but check/folding sounds fine as well.

you're beating JJ, which i don't even think he'd reraise vs an EP raise. so the best thing you can hope for is another AK?

[Makonnen]

I like b/f here, since it may help identify whether this is a c-bet or a show of strength. As played ... meh. Depending on mood and feel, fold 50%, call 25%, r/r 25%.

[CazicT]

Seems dumpable I guess. You're OOP and there aren't really any cards that could come that would make you feel all that comfortable.

[da_fume]

Yeah B/F the flop and you don't really have to second guess it too much.

[CalledDownLight]

4bet to $20 or fold preflop if you are c/f top top.

[effang]

b/f &gt; c/c &gt; c/f.

he's 16/8/3, which may change this to b/f &gt; c/f, things around, but i play AQ the same. If he doesn't 3-bet light, then this is an easy fold,

but if you raise light, and he's playing at you, no way you can let this go.

[Jeff76]

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4bet to $20 or fold preflop if you are c/f top top.

[/ QUOTE ]There is a difference between c/f a KQ flop and a K high flop (no queen) or an A high flop.

Having both the K and the Q on this flop means that we are behind two more hands in villains range than if it were a naked K, so you cannot look at a c/f here and say "fold this pf if you are going to fold top top". Or to say it differently, not all top top flops are the same.

[Jeff76]

BTW, I think bet/folding here is not good. I think we either commit to getting it all in or we fold without putting another dime in. I think we are behind villain's range, so c/f is best.

[threads13]

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4bet to $20 or fold preflop if you are c/f top top.

[/ QUOTE ]There is a difference between c/f a KQ flop and a K high flop (no queen) or an A high flop.

Having both the K and the Q on this flop means that we are behind two more hands in villains range than if it were a naked K, so you cannot look at a c/f here and say "fold this pf if you are going to fold top top". Or to say it differently, not all top top flops are the same.

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Are those two hards you referring to QQ and KQ? I don't think KQ is really that much of a part of his range, but I agree with your general point. If this guys range is JJ+AK/AK-AQ then we aren't good on this flop. We are behind AA/KK/QQ and ahead of AQ.

I agree that this flop is worse than if the from was K62 but I think it would still be unprofitable to call preflop, given the stack sizes, even if the flop was K62. I think 4-betting this when this guys range is mostly big pairs and AKo is spew though.

I also agree that b/f isn't a very good spot here. If you can't call a bet getting those good of odds then your first bet wasn't positive EV in the first place.