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Someone good told me limping in tournaments is good, so I decided to limp every spot that seemed reasonable once antes came in in my last 109r to try it out.

Thoughts on these limps?

Hand 2: HJ-1 is charder, button(the raiser) is busto_soon
Hand 3: Open limper is unknown to me, button is charder

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t11715)
UTG+1 (t10672)
Hero (t3808)
MP2 (t5986)
CO (t8525)
Button (t7350)
SB (t10615)
BB (t9704)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t300, MP2 calls t300, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t3025</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t1100

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG (t9222)
Hero (t7841)
MP1 (t18786)
MP2 (t9239)
CO (t13425)
Button (t22467)
SB (t11665)
BB (t25985)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t400, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t400, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t2075</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t7841</font>


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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t15790)
MP3 (t9297)
Hero (t8316)
Button (t18861)
SB (t8889)
BB (t14500)
UTG (t23342)
UTG+1 (t12140)
MP1 (t26060)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1600) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t1600) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t1200</font>, Hero folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: t1600

[djk123]

title should read "I'm becoming kwob"

[shaundeeb]

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title should read "I'm becoming fischman"

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[JSchnett]

1 and 3 are really bad IMO.

[stevepa]

heh, this reminds me that I really wanted to play an entire tourney (was thinking the warmup) where I'm not allowed to raise preflop unless it's a shove. If I remember I'll be doing this Sunday.

Also, I think 1 is horrible, 2 is good, and 3 is bad.

Steve

[Bill Ivey]

I think the last one is bad but the first two are fine.

[apestyles]

utg is the new button and open limping is the new resteal.

The only successful player who i know open limps KJ, KQ kind of hands is danny ryan, and i still think it sucks.

Obv you were just experimenting with a new idea, your inclusion of only unsuccessful hands makes your opinion on it pretty obvious =). I do agree with ansky that it is good to play unorthodox styles to see why they dont/do work.]

edit 2 sucks worse than 3 wtf is everyone all excited about 2 for?

[Bond18]

I actually think 1/2 are much worse than 3, but that's mostly because i'm way more averse to open limping than limping behind.

I think stuff like this might be more appropriate in a tournament that's not the 100r where people will brutalize you. I like that you tried it out though.

[Beachman42]

I get kinda interested when respected players say they *never* do something. That statement in itself makes you exploitable.

The issue I see with these three examples isn't the limp, its the lack of reasoning as to why Hero limped in each case.

In the first example, I believe limping is a poor choice due to # of BBs Hero has, position in the hand, and stack size of those who follow. Also, you didn't seem to have a plan (folding is a default condition here, not a plan)for what to do next. Hero didn't say if V1 or V2 raises, I fold. If BB raises, I call with position or re-raise, etc.

While most of the time limping isn't the optimal line, there are definitely situations where limping behind is as simple as a current odds calculation. Open limping is a seldom used tool in my playbook, but it has worked in the past when the stars were in alignment.

Just my $0.02

[curtains]

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I get kinda interested when respected players say they *never* do something. That statement in itself makes you exploitable.

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This is completely untrue. I never limp 72o UTG, am I now exploitable?

I never limp reraise preflop. However I never open limp so who cares, it's not really exploitable.

I never fold with 80% of my stack in the pot.

etc etc, I could go on and on about things that I may never do that don't make my play exploitable at all. Also I may open limp sometimes I was just using it as an example.