Raise or Call?

Teja500 · #1 08-31-2007, 05:12 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets. Hero?

Villian is 60/16 and medium aggressiv postflop. Dont know what donk river means at this point.

TheHip41 · #2 08-31-2007, 05:14 PM

your hand sucks alot.

this post should be called "call or fold?"

obv. dont fold, but you are waaaaaaay waaaaaaaay far away from having a hand good enough to raise this river.

yellowjack · #3 08-31-2007, 06:32 PM

I would fold PF although it's close, ATo is a raise for me.

It's easily just a call. A ton of draws made it on the river.

ZOMG_RIGGED! · #4 08-31-2007, 06:42 PM

A9o UTG? muck?

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Oink · #5 08-31-2007, 06:46 PM

Preflop is a tweener an without knowing more about the players behind its prolly a muck.

If the 3 players with position on me are tight and BB is either bad or tight as well its a fairly easy raise IMO.

River is such a standard call. Raising would be so effing terrible. Closer to a fold than a raise.

TheHip41 · #6 08-31-2007, 09:32 PM

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not everyone is a 46/30 lagtardo

I fold A9o utg all day 6max. but i'm 25/17.

I think this is a really easy fold as well.

A6s or A7s and ATo are my minimum aces UTG 6max

Redeye · #7 08-31-2007, 10:22 PM

Never raise. I think raising this pot is really bad. I think folding is probably good a lot of the time, but I would call since you have absolutely no read. It's probably close enough to neutral that it won't matter, and you figure out what this guys played. Was it a flush draw, or did he play something else very strange.

TheHip41 · #8 08-31-2007, 11:00 PM

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Never raise. I think raising this pot is really bad. I think folding is probably good a lot of the time, but I would call since you have absolutely no read. It's probably close enough to neutral that it won't matter, and you figure out what this guys played. Was it a flush draw, or did he play something else very strange.

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if you have ever folded here online, you suck at poker.

there is not other explanation

Redeye · #9 08-31-2007, 11:21 PM

Whatever, a river fold here may be -EV, but its not by much. You have raised UTG pf and fired the entire time and he donks the river club and ace. There are plenty of guys who will do wierd donks at scare cards to show down marginal hands, which is why I will always call in this spot. But I bet you are losing the majority of the time here.

And yes, I do suck at online poker.

TheHip41 · #10 09-01-2007, 01:21 AM

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Whatever, a river fold here may be -EV, but its not by much. You have raised UTG pf and fired the entire time and he donks the river club and ace. There are plenty of guys who will do wierd donks at scare cards to show down marginal hands, which is why I will always call in this spot. But I bet you are losing the majority of the time here.

And yes, I do suck at online poker.

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stop talking about this like it's an actual conversation.

anyone that folds this river, online, should just not play poker anymore, because you don't know what you are doing.

this is not almost a fold, this isn't a "I have to think about it"

no, he bets, you call, next hand.