5-10 KK 200bb deep

jmxthievez · #1 08-10-2007, 12:08 AM

First off, this is most definitely not a FOLD KK B/C HE HAS AA??? hand.

Villain is a 26/16 new reg, I usually run about 22/18 but since I have been really getting into it with another reg, (raise reraise ATo like the nuts) my stats have bloated up to 26/22 or so. He has seen all of this happen.

I'm interested in your advice on the following lines:

1. shove flop
2. fold flop
3. call flop

-a. call turn shove
-b. fold to turn shove
-c. check behind turn, check behind river
-d. check behind turn fold to river push
-e. check behind turn call river push
or shove the turn or river if checked to

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($340)
UTG ($1091.70)
MP ($1888.25)
CO ($2776.25)
Hero ($3942)
SB ($970)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $35, CO calls $35, Hero raises to $155, 2 folds, MP raises to $435, CO folds, Hero calls $280.

Flop: ($920) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $625, Hero ???

Me and my friends have discussed this hand and are at odds as to what to do, interested in your thoughts and why, thanks.

ikestoys · #2 08-10-2007, 12:26 AM

shove flop b/c he can call with worse

folding is terrible

calling is ok, but only to try to get some more money out of QQ or less, you'll be getting it on the turn

Morrek · #3 08-10-2007, 12:30 AM

shove

Mr. Bill Clinton · #4 08-10-2007, 12:32 AM

why not shove pre?

JKratzer · #5 08-10-2007, 12:39 AM

fold seems bad given read/image.

so shove, no point in letting a turn come out, it either changes nothing in which case you get all-in or he was folding to your shove anyway, or the turn improves his hand or lets him get away from a worse one.

m3dude · #6 08-10-2007, 12:56 AM

i think calling is better because it increases the chances he gets it in with tt/jj

Colombo · #7 08-10-2007, 12:58 AM

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i think calling is better because it increases the chances he gets it in with tt/jj

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ehh not really. I think he b/f 0% of his range on this flop.

jmxthievez · #8 08-10-2007, 05:37 AM

you guys really think a reg will stack off with QQ here? much less JJ/TT? We are 200bb deep.

He can perfectly bet/fold here. Which is what makes this hand interesting imo. If we flat call, does that make think his QQ just got better or worse?

yoshi86 · #9 08-10-2007, 12:24 PM

do you float alot? if so, i would call and plan to get it in on the turn.

if you dont, then shove

ajloeffl · #10 08-10-2007, 12:41 PM

You really think a regular 4 bets worse than QQ PF this deep? Unless you have been 3 betting alot, I'd put his range on AA/KK/AK/QQ.

AA and KK are stacking here no matter what. AK will fold to any further action most likely and QQ may as well unless you have a habit of sticking around in 4 bet pots with crap to steal!