KJ vs loose passive

djshawk · #1 10-27-2007, 04:25 AM

I've been thinking about this hand since it happened yesterday and I don't know if I played it well or not.

Villian is a typical loose passive 40/1/0.7 type.
FWIW my image should be very tight, I'd not played a hand for quite a while at this table.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
hero: $108.40
UTG+1: $128.41
CO: $232.03
Button: $16.66
SB: $106.45
BB: $79.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
hero bets $7, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($23.5, 2 players)
hero bets $14, UTG+1 calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($51.5, 2 players)
hero bets $35, UTG+1 raises to $70, hero ???

On the turn I wanted to slow down but with all the draws out there I thought I needed to bet. On the river the fd missed and I just made trips which puts me ahead of AQ, KQ, KK, AA. If I check this opponent isn't the type to bluff so I must value bet here now right? Once he's raised am I done with the hand? It's about 5/1 on a call and there are still a ton of Jx hands I beat.

Finally, is raising KJ preflop ok here? Behind this guy were 3 other loose players. I'm currently playing a pretty nitty 17/12 game but am trying to open that up a bit. At tables with 3-4 40+ vpip should I stick to nittyness in EP and start raising more from LP. I think I already know the answer to this one.

Thanks for your advice.

thac · #2 10-27-2007, 04:32 AM

KJ is a little frisky UTG but it's a fine raise as long as you don't raise it every time.

Flop I'd generally make 8-8.5 against a stationy guy like this.

Turn is wayyy too small. If you're gonna bet, bet 18 or so, this bet almost gives him odds to draw profitably if he has a flush draw.

The good thing about your turn bet is that he could've called with a jack. In a 40/1s range is probably any suited jack, as well as J9o+. I'd shove. If he has a boat or a better kicker, he does; he's not folding anything he minraises for ~13 more.

orange · #3 10-27-2007, 04:42 AM

I call. Hope he didn't have 9T. I would typically fold pre too.

thac · #4 10-27-2007, 04:43 AM

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I call. Hope he didn't have 9T. I would typically fold pre too.

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Why wouldn't you shove with such a minuscule amount left?

orange · #5 10-27-2007, 04:45 AM

eh i guess it doesnt really matter, didnt see stacks. thought we were a tad deeper.

thac · #6 10-27-2007, 04:47 AM

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eh i guess it doesnt really matter, didnt see stacks. thought we were a tad deeper.

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It's kinda like that thread from earlier (I forget which one now) but it said something like if you don't think you should put the rest in, you prob shouldn't call.

djshawk · #7 10-27-2007, 04:59 AM

Thanks guys. I'm still not experienced enough to disassociate loosing a hand with playing it badly.

Fair point about not calling if not willing to shove for the rest. Here I was pretty sure I was toast but the pot odds seemed to generous to fold, I wanted showdown as cheaply as possible though which is why I didn't shove.