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Old 11-23-2007, 12:28 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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i think it's thin because you're representing 56 or JT. he wouldn't expect you to slowplay (after not checking the flop) a set, and it's unlikely you pot controlled a 1pair hand then went for thin value raise.

I think a call is better then a raise in this spot.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:28 PM
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2. Noone ever bluffs in these spots, which he knows.

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seriously? It's BvB, people make all sorts of retardo bluffs
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:30 PM
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xorbie it is obvious that villain's hand is an ace 80% of the time. Villain knows that we know that. In this situation we need to be bluffing against a thinking villain. If we never bluff he can lay down the ace when we raise.

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No. This dynamic would have to be repeated countless times before we could get exploited by "never bluff raising". Fact if if you pot controlled 1 pair on the turn then hit 2pair on the river it's a great spot to go for a value raise since villain will bet/call 1 pair all day. Along those lines, it's a bad bluff, since people will continue to bet/call all day
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:36 PM
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xorbie it is obvious that villain's hand is an ace 80% of the time. Villain knows that we know that. In this situation we need to be bluffing against a thinking villain. If we never bluff he can lay down the ace when we raise.

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How often are going to continue to burn money trying to bluff villain off Ax before you hit two pair/set and then burn even more money by not betting the turn?
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Rate this bluff 10/20

You should really post this hand again as villain holding A5.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:49 PM
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You should really post this hand again as villain holding A5.

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people would say:
Wtf are you doing pre, limp/calling A5o vs an aggro bb is just burning money, either raise in or open fold if he's that good.
then, they'd say, why are you betting the river, he either pot controlled an ace on the turn and you're value betting for him or he has less then that and cant call
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:53 PM
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You should really post this hand again as villain holding A5.

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people would say:
Wtf are you doing pre, limp/calling A5o vs an aggro bb is just burning money, either raise in or open fold if he's that good.
then, they'd say, why are you betting the river, he either pot controlled an ace on the turn and you're value betting for him or he has less then that and cant call

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and then they`d say: now fold.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:54 PM
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You should really post this hand again as villain holding A5.

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people would say:
Wtf are you doing pre, limp/calling A5o vs an aggro bb is just burning money, either raise in or open fold if he's that good.
then, they'd say, why are you betting the river, he either pot controlled an ace on the turn and you're value betting for him or he has less then that and cant call

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and then they`d say: now fold.

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They might say that, but they wouldn't fold. Not if they were the type of player to open limp A5o.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:03 PM
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You should really post this hand again as villain holding A5.

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people would say:
Wtf are you doing pre, limp/calling A5o vs an aggro bb is just burning money, either raise in or open fold if he's that good.
then, they'd say, why are you betting the river, he either pot controlled an ace on the turn and you're value betting for him or he has less then that and cant call

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and then they`d say: now fold.

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They might say that, but they wouldn't fold. Not if they were the type of player to open limp A5o.

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agree w/ zorbie
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:07 PM
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i think it's thin because you're representing 56 or JT.


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Or 77, but yeah it's a small range for sure.
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