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Old 11-14-2007, 07:24 AM
Black winter day Black winter day is offline
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Default Nuts or nothing, right?

Villain is Billybob8, standard solid FTP TAG-LAG - 23/22/8.5.I have 3bet him twice recently and he mucked.I am running a bit laggier than average and my image is probably that i splash around a bit, though not too much.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $985
CO: $1097
Button: $1260.85
SB: $388.35
BB: $995

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $35</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($115, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $90</font>, CO calls, SB folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($295, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $180</font>, Hero calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($655, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $480</font>, Hero calls.

My reasoning throughout the hand.

Flop - Perfect spot for him to float.
Turn - He knows i can c/r AQ/KK/AA with this card.
What does he bet?
AQ and QQ reraises preflop, 22 is less likely, does QK/QJ, 88-JJ really bet the turn?Imo, it would much more likely to check behind.So i am getting suspicious here.55 is the only hand that makes sense in his range that would bet this.

River - Well, my hand is as good as AK.I beat floats and random small pairs that he decided to turn into bluffs.I don't beat 55,22 and KQ.
Obviously, turn+river is very marginal, but i'd like to get some thoughts about this...
What if i really did have AK here, do you call?
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:37 AM
Snygaard Snygaard is offline
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

Not a perfect spot to float the flop with a player behind him. I just c/f turn.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

Nuts or nothing is ridiculous here. He is betting the river with literally his entire range. I think this is a bluff enough for us to want to snap it off, though I expect to be shown QJ or similar some reasonable % of the time. I don't expect to be shown 99+/AQ+ here at all, he would surely 3bet you preflop.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:37 PM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

By "nothing" i mean, his range is either FH/Quads/QK or air/some small pair he decided to turn into a bluff.

I just can't see QJ betting both turn and river...or any Q for that matter.And i also agree, that he would 3bet me with 88+/AQ+, that is why those hands don't make a lot of sense.
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

Looks an awful lot like 55 or KQ. Hes not floating very often with a player behind...
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

if the guy is 23/22 over a decent sample then a very large part of his (miniscule) calling range here is 22-66 and unfortunately for you that range nailed the flop so i'm gonna say u r either crushed or he is bluffing with 33 or 44
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

this is definitely not the nuts or nothing.........
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Old 11-14-2007, 05:57 PM
AcTiOnJaCsOn AcTiOnJaCsOn is offline
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

o and c/f turn
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

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this is definitely not the nuts or nothing.........

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Ok, what is the in between hands you put in his range that play like that?
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: Nuts or nothing, right?

looks like nuts or nuts imo...he'd have to be floating the flop with a player behind him with complete air.

edit: by nuts i mean big queens and better
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