55 BB flops set on Flsh Board

pped5700 · #1 11-09-2007, 01:58 PM

575$ Live MTT
6k starting chips
~9k Avg. Stack
40min rounds
240 strt players

Blinds 75-150 no ante

UTG+2~8400-open-limped called on more than a few occasions, hasnt Lrrd, one time nailed flop, and doubled up early, has been spewing since.
MP~16500-pretty strong player, LAG, picking spots well, never played with him before today.
OTB~11000-just moved to table. nr.
BB-Hero-13800-Viewed somewhat TAGgish, showndown 1 hand to this point.

EP-open-limps
MP-500 to go
OTB calls
BB(Hero) (5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])calls
EP calls

Pot=2075

FLOP

Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero-Checks
EP-Bets 900
MP-Raises to 3700
OTB-Folds
Hero....

RobGW · #2 11-09-2007, 03:46 PM

MP's big raise makes me think he does not have a made flush. With the pot this big, I would go out on a limb and just shove this and hopefully get them to fold or call with the flush draw. In the event that they have a made flush you still have the full house draw to fall back on.

trimp · #3 11-09-2007, 05:00 PM

That raise isn't that big, and he's raising into 3 players. It's screaming strength IMO.

Sometimes this will be a nut flush draw, but its often a small flush.

Do we rule out QQ?

UTG+2 probably holds a queen, sounds like a weak player, they don't lead on a made flush or draw.. they call.

LerkEr · #4 11-09-2007, 05:01 PM

SHOEVE

gibler321 · #5 11-09-2007, 10:47 PM

i shove here. there is just too much in the pot and you have so many outs if they do have low flush

tilterino · #6 11-09-2007, 11:14 PM

im shoving and look forward to him turning over AhQd

pped5700 · #7 11-10-2007, 10:33 AM

Thx 4 the replies.
fwiw, I wasnt thinking about folding; I did shove, but afterwards, I was considering the merits between shoving, and calling.
Do we ever have a calling range in this spot? Or, are we giving away clairvoyance on the turn by doing so. If we are playing with thinking opponents, and they view us as thinking, are we ever getting more value by calling. Are we shoving, all sets, and made flushes, and maybe the NFD/Q? Are we even shoving the NF here, and really never calling in this spot.

furfur · #8 11-10-2007, 04:49 PM

PUSH