8r PS, pair+draw, flop plan limped pot fairly deepstked

[kurtkatt]

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t800/t1600
(Ante: t150)
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t52053
UTG+1: t45904
MP1: t37587
MP2: t26112
MP3: t9303
CO: t9075
Button: t90536
SB: t71354
hero: t79245

Pre-flop: (9 players) hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
6 folds, Button calls t1600 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t3750)</font>, SB calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t5350)</font>, hero checks.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t6150, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets t2850</font>


quite new to table, Villain seems quiet and has doubled in the time ive been there but nothing strange that stuck to mind. probably got semiaggro image, cause ive raised a fair bit since i came here mostly due to getting hands, not showing much tho. I was seated with the btn limper during rebuy and he was a maniac rebuyer with Lag, tricky tendencies but i dont give him credit for an ace on button. rather some combo of suited broadways, connectors, crap seems more likely.

Anyway how the fkk am i gonna play this? obv im happy with the flop, my hand can apply pressure against hands that probably cant stand the heat. But at the time i wasnt sure about the best way to do it.

[levAA]

I don't think you should be too happy with this flop as it's quite a dangerous one. If you make your flush you still have the risk of running in onther higher one.

Apart that draw you have bottom pair, with two overcards an Ace and a Ten, which are both often played cards, so the probability that one of the two villains has at least 1 overpair to yours is rather high.

Your main problem here is, that there is the button to act after you.

Against SB alone i would call this or reraise because of his weakish bet, but here he bet out of his bad position against two opponents, that usually means he has something - maybe an ace or KsQs.

So what are you going to do if you call and the button raises - obv. you have to fold.

I think this is a very risky spot, good to loose a good amount of your stack with second best hand, so i don't mind folding here.

at best i call this and hope button calls or folds and reevaluate on the turn, but i'd never raise this one.

[kurtkatt]

i have no illusions that my pair is good now. what i have is a strong draw where a club, 8 or 6 probably means i have the best hand. further there is just a very small chance either of villains has a big ace, meaning a raise from me should put them in a bad spot unless they have a8, at, 108, 88 or tt. so yes i like the spot, with up to 14 outs im not looking for reasons to fold. im looking for ways to put a lot of pressure on my opponents.

And how do i do that best in a situation like this?

[JammyDodga]

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further there is just a very small chance either of villains has a big ace, meaning a raise from me should put them in a bad spot

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If you think they don't have a big ace, why would they give you credit for one? I think you'd struggle to make any ace fold here to be honest.

Also, you have to wonder why the button didn't raise pre-flop, there's a perfect oppurtunity to steal, but he doesn't. I'd be suspicious.

[kurtkatt]

id say he got something he wants to play a small pot in position with. a lag not raising his good hands on button, that would more or less be stooopid (hmm...se tricky tendencies remark).

yes the ace discussion is good. its a drawheavy board with no reason to put anyone on a big ace. therefore i think a simple raise on his lead can let him to just say fkk it and repush a lot of Ax, which is something i really dont want.

[kurtkatt]

bump,

ill let u try and convince me again its a crappy spot or more prefferably help me with a plan....

[black666]

Call for sure. You have a pair and a very good draw. The SB and the button can have anything here.

[helter skelter]

I like just calling here. I think that after a bet and a call, the button would have to have a legitimate hand to raise, so you could re-evaluate that when it comes. I don't think raising is a good idea, since an A is likely to at least call or re-raise and if he doesn't have an A, he will probably check the turn and you can then probably bet and take the pot.

[tomek322]

I don't mind a raise. We are playing pretty deep. Doubt the SB will stack off with a crappy ace in a limped pot. And If we turn our flush, we have a better shot of getting paid.

Calling is ok, but I doubt you get any money if you hit your flush.

I don't like folding.

[kurtkatt]

yea ideally i would wanna find a way to push somewhere, rather on flop. but is raise/call ok?

other stuff ive been thinking of is callin flop and pushing over his lead on turn. that way i get to push atleast?