QQ no good?

Josh. · #1 07-31-2006, 01:48 AM

villain is loosish/passivish, 28/10/2.3 with an 18 wtsd but only about 1k hands so take the wtsd for what it's worth. he bet the river without much hesitation

does he bet the river with JJ? do players liek this ever fire 3 barrels? can i fold the turn?

really not sure what i think about this. i kinda like the fold but i think i should fold the turn or push the river (or crai turn).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($706.75)
CO ($1011)
Button ($2000.75)
SB ($1465)
Hero ($1278.50)
UTG ($715)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG raises to $35, 2 folds, Button raises to $125, 1 fold, Hero calls $115, UTG folds.

Flop: ($290) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $175, Hero calls $175.

Turn: ($640) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $450, Hero calls $450.

River: ($1540) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $600 (i have 528 left), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2140

johnnybeef · #2 07-31-2006, 01:51 AM

I hate check/call this turn. Either lead turn, or fold as your hand is totally defined to villain (unless you call 3 bets cold pf with AA and villain knows this.)

philipsaurus · #3 07-31-2006, 01:51 AM

i think you played this perfectly.

i sometimes think to myself "my hand is transparant, and villain knows i have qq", but the thing is, no one is dumb enough to try to bluff qq on this board. it would be poker suicide. unless villain is known to be a donk or if villain is world class, then i usually dont call this.

LegallyBlind · #4 07-31-2006, 02:24 AM

i would easily fold JJ preflop here. Is folding QQ preflop here just too nitty?? (horrid position, a reraise of an UTG raiser, and your sandwitched inbetween)

ArturiusX · #5 07-31-2006, 02:28 AM

Fold pre.

ArturiusX · #6 07-31-2006, 02:28 AM

In fact, folding pre is so standard here it makes me puke seeing you call it.

Josh. · #7 07-31-2006, 02:33 AM

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In fact, folding pre is so standard here it makes me puke seeing you call it.

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not saying whether it's right or wrong, but there's no way it's STANDARD

philipsaurus · #8 07-31-2006, 02:36 AM

with no strong reads, i fold this preflop like 0% of the time.

Josh. · #9 07-31-2006, 02:42 AM

if he 3-bets AK more often than not, folding is terrible

Moonshine · #10 07-31-2006, 02:42 AM

After you call flop, given your preflop action, it's ridiculously obvious you have TT-QQ. Fold the turn.