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#22
05-18-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
Why is everyone giving up here?
A huge part of his range folds to a c-bet, especially on weak-tight UB. A K never checks here in Nath's spot, so why check? (not really *ever*, but were not c/r here so go for the obv. play) If raised 95% of the time we are drawing to 4 outs, maybe 7, so I think bet/fold is best. Something like 1750 or so. If called were usually beat too, so unless a J comes c/f. I am not a great player, but I think we give up too much just giving up here, especially on UB. This isn't a cash game where we are trying to play perfect poker, this is a tourney where we are trying to win pots, and this one is very winnable. Regards, Woodguy 
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#23
05-18-2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
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Why is everyone giving up here? A huge part of his range folds to a c-bet, especially on weak-tight UB. A K never checks here in Nath's spot, so why check? (not really *ever*, but were not c/r here so go for the obv. play) If raised 95% of the time we are drawing to 4 outs, maybe 7, so I think bet/fold is best. Something like 1750 or so. If called were usually beat too, so unless a J comes c/f. I am not a great player, but I think we give up too much just giving up here, especially on UB. This isn't a cash game where we are trying to play perfect poker, this is a tourney where we are trying to win pots, and this one is very winnable. Regards, Woodguy [/ QUOTE ] I think pretty decent chances to win the pot by checking against a random opponent. I think low pairs will often check and then fold to a turn bet, even if we don't improve. Meanwhile hands that are stronger than an underpair here are going to have a difficult time folding this flop.
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#26
05-18-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
All other pocket pairs or lower suited connectors, which is the majority of his range. I find cold calling with dominated hands like KQ/KJ/QJ more rare in the $200+ unless there were a lot of satelitte entries.
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#27
05-18-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
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All other pocket pairs or lower suited connectors, which is the majority of his range. I find cold calling with dominated hands like KQ/KJ/QJ more rare in the $200+ unless there were a lot of satelitte entries. [/ QUOTE ] A dude calls for almost 20% of his stack preflop and you're assuming that small pairs and suited connectors are a MAJORITY of his range?
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#28
05-18-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
Pre-flop:
Tony Pisser raises to 925. hyeran kim folds. rockets_Ifold folds. PecosJeana folds. blury222 folds. JohnnyBax goes all-in for 7260. Maria Nuccia folds. G S X R folds. RagnarPirate folds. Ulty_Dude folds. Tony Pisser calls. Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: JohnnyBax shows Ah Ks. Tony Pisser shows 7d 7h. Flop (board: 8h Qd Td): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 8h Qd Td As): (no action in this round) River (board: 8h Qd Td As 7c): (no action in this round) Showdown: JohnnyBax has Ah Ks Qd Td As: a pair of aces. Tony Pisser has 7d 7h Qd As 7c: three sevens. Hand #42568696-163 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. Tony Pisser wins 15220 with three sevens. I was surprised to see 77. Bax
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#29
05-18-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
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A dude calls for almost 20% of his stack preflop and you're assuming that small pairs and suited connectors are a MAJORITY of his range? [/ QUOTE ] Pairs QQ and smaller are the majority of his range. Throw in a couple of connectors too, but not that many. Is dude calling off 20% of his stack with KQ or KJ?
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#30
05-18-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: AQ on coordinated flop, UB $215
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Pre-flop: Tony Pisser raises to 925. hyeran kim folds. rockets_Ifold folds. PecosJeana folds. blury222 folds. JohnnyBax goes all-in for 7260. Maria Nuccia folds. G S X R folds. RagnarPirate folds. Ulty_Dude folds. Tony Pisser calls. Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: JohnnyBax shows Ah Ks. Tony Pisser shows 7d 7h. Flop (board: 8h Qd Td): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 8h Qd Td As): (no action in this round) River (board: 8h Qd Td As 7c): (no action in this round) Showdown: JohnnyBax has Ah Ks Qd Td As: a pair of aces. Tony Pisser has 7d 7h Qd As 7c: three sevens. Hand #42568696-163 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. Tony Pisser wins 15220 with three sevens. I was surprised to see 77. Bax [/ QUOTE ] The point is that I'm not surprised to see AK.
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