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Old 08-14-2007, 05:16 PM
mirrorman mirrorman is offline
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

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Call and flop a set.

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lol, my thoughts exactly.
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Old 08-14-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

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Call and flop a set.

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is this implying that we are not really willing to stack off w/ 88 w/o flopping a set post flop in this spot? Cause if it is you guys are crazy.

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No, it's implying that we call and hit a set every time.

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the hand does become much easier to play if an 8ball flops.
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

rooth made smae post on p5's and i made this reply. i flat call here. 1)because he is best player at table 2)he is only persono who can bust u 3) because u have position. busto soon replyed with 1),2) are reasons for reraise/calling. i think these are 3 good reasons to kkeep the pot small and not reraise what do u guys think?
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

calling is without a doubt my standard
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

okay sorry i am a bad player, but explain why 4k/call is good? you commit yourself with the raise (given yourself .38 for breakeven call of a shove), and if he shoves on you, you are well behind his range [?] ( < 40% ). isn't this putting yourself in a bad spot?
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Old 08-14-2007, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

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okay sorry i am a bad player, but explain why 4k/call is good? you commit yourself with the raise (given yourself .38 for breakeven call of a shove), and if he shoves on you, you are well behind his range [?] ( < 40% ). isn't this putting yourself in a bad spot?

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as long as he thinks u can have garbage when u 3bet, he will think he can sometimes have folding equity. Apestyles is good but also crazy aggro. Don't be afraid to give a super aggro player rope to be super aggro even if you have a marginal hand.
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Old 08-15-2007, 12:17 AM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

If you have an agrresive image verse ape and 3 bet frequently you can 3 bet call a shove.

If you have a tighter image then take a flop.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

It just depends what his 4-bet range is. If he's pretty aggro and expects you to be, you have to 3-bet/call.

My default against a decent tourney player would be 3-bet/call.

Calling here is a pretty big diss to apestyles. Your 3-bet range should be pretty wide here since if you make it like 4.2k you basically force him to fold or commit all 17.5k, so if he's not 4-betting light enough to make 3-bet/call here good, one of you is playing pretty bad.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

Getting 60 bbs in w/ 88, even bvb, seems really gross. I don't play w/ ape that much, but that seems like a bad line vs. a looot of players. Call is far and away the best option, imo.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:00 AM
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Default Re: Interesting Spot vs Apestyles in 100R (SB BB)

Does apestyles ever 4 bet quite light vs an aggro opponent bvb? If so i prefer 3 bet/call. If i think he's not going to get that creative this early in the tournament, i call.
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