FUH KIN WIERD

Ship Ship McGipp · #1 08-30-2007, 11:10 PM

Been a while since I posted something so I thought I would post a moderately standard hand that kind of angered me today. Villian is 19/16 surely somewhat thinking but has done some kind of weird things in the past. First hand I'm posting is one that we played just like 3 minutes before this one. FWIW I think he's fairly standard, if I had to define it as something, though maybe not necessarily by 2+2 standards. Anyways, he's not really spewy, to tbh I dont' know if this previous hand makes him more or less likely to bluff the river.

FWIW, if he bet less than 300, I was CRAI.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($1285.75)
UTG ($765.30)
MP ($897)
ae [censored] jones ($1301)
SB ($1000)

Preflop: ae [censored] jones is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, ae [censored] jones raises to $30, SB calls $25, BB calls $20.

Flop: ($90) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, ae [censored] jones bets $60, SB raises to $180, BB folds, ae [censored] jones calls $120.

Turn: ($450) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $350, ae [censored] jones raises to $1091, SB calls $440 (All-In).

River: ($2331) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $2331

Results in white below: 
ae [censored] jones has Qc Tc (two pair, queens and tens).
SB has Ah Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: ae [censored] jones wins $2331. 

And now this is what I'm kind of wondering about. I know all the standard answers, but comments on whatever streets you want are okay.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($1000)
UTG ($987)
ae [censored] jones ($1448)
CO ($1286.80)
Button ($1212)
SB ($693.85)

Preflop: ae [censored] jones is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, ae [censored] jones raises to $30, 1 fold, Button calls $30, 2 folds.

Flop: ($75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
ae [censored] jones bets $40, Button raises to $160, ae [censored] jones calls $120.

Turn: ($395) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
ae [censored] jones checks, Button checks.

River: ($395) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
ae [censored] jones checks, Button bets $330,

Teh1337zor · #2 08-30-2007, 11:12 PM

im having a hard time putting him on a hand and his line doesn't make sense so call cuz its more fun and we get to see what he has ldo

fslexcduck · #3 08-30-2007, 11:14 PM

c/r all in

but if you're asking whether you should call or fold, i dunno, flip a coin. most people will have air a lot here with his size bet but the AJ hand before makes me think he value bets thinly. there is a huge difference though between value betting thinly on turn (when there are draws to protect LDO!) and doing so on the river with AA or KQ on a monotone board, so i'd be inclined to call and then take a note of what you saw.

Teh1337zor · #4 08-30-2007, 11:15 PM

wtff what raises flop that doesnt bet turn and zomg you even have the Ac

Parlay Slow · #5 08-30-2007, 11:14 PM

I like how you played it, and now I think you should look him up

if you lost i wouldn't be shocked to see 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2x, or 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4x

but i feel like you'll see a goofy bluff here enough

also, if he isn't bluffing here then i wouldn't call in similar spots in the future

Parlay Slow · #6 08-31-2007, 12:33 AM

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but i feel like you'll see a goofy bluff here enough

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ding!

Ship Ship McGipp · #7 08-31-2007, 01:40 AM

Guys, here's the thing. I was wrong in thinking about the hand. I mean, I think it's just a "what level do you put him on question."

I picked the wrong level.

The line, to all sane players, looks like a bluff. It would be atrocious for him to check the turn with anything legit, since I will frequently CRAI on the turn with bluffs and mediocre made hands. I assumed he knew that.

After the knowledge of hand 1, I assumed that he was capable of raising top pair hands frequently. I think he'd play KQ like this, and that's it.

FWIW, I would snap call if I had any ace but the ace of clubs. I think his line is horrible, and I was going to immediately CRAI on ANY river bet size EXCEPT 330. Honestly, against this particular player, I was going to CRAI with 300 or less, CC 350 or more, so nh to him, picking the amount to bluff that I thought he would pick to value bet. Again, just a leveling thing.

It more goes along the lines of "No good player would bluff with this line- jesus christ I hope he knows that."

Whoops.

BobboFitos · #8 08-31-2007, 01:49 AM

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FWIW, I would snap call if I had any ace but the ace of clubs. I think his line is horrible, and I was going to immediately CRAI on ANY river bet size EXCEPT 330. Honestly, against this particular player, I was going to CRAI with 300 or less, CC 350 or more, so nh to him, picking the amount to bluff that I thought he would pick to value bet. Again, just a leveling thing.

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Aaron, you are ae mother [censored] jones.

Ship Ship McGipp · #9 08-31-2007, 01:50 AM

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FWIW, I would snap call if I had any ace but the ace of clubs. I think his line is horrible, and I was going to immediately CRAI on ANY river bet size EXCEPT 330. Honestly, against this particular player, I was going to CRAI with 300 or less, CC 350 or more, so nh to him, picking the amount to bluff that I thought he would pick to value bet. Again, just a leveling thing.

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Aaron, you are ae mother [censored] jones.

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I guess everyone but God is wrong once in a while.

Sigh.

jkkkk · #10 08-30-2007, 11:16 PM

I call in hand 2, probably fold the flop in hand 1