$16 - TT AAA board

mattiesmat · #1 11-05-2007, 07:37 PM

Hi, what to do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) by Hand Converter CG

BB (t1510)
UTG (t1490)
Hero (t1500)
MP1 (t1590)
MP2 (t1570)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1630)
SB (t1270)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls t30, 1 fold, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Button raises to t120, 2 folds, Hero calls t90, MP2 folds.

Flop: (t315) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t200, Button raises to t400, Hero ??

jon7alt88 · #2 11-05-2007, 07:45 PM

I think this is a fold, how big of a range do you really put the villan on when hes opening otb with an utg and EP limper to 4x the BB AND min raising a 3/4 pot bet on this flop. I think we can put the villan on JJ-Ax and muck here since i highly doubt he plays 22-99 or even KQ this way with the line he took.

vers · #3 11-05-2007, 07:52 PM

I also think you're behind here but am doubtful that pfr raises quads. Most likely I'd say villain has 99+ and I doubt he makes a play here or raises pre w/ like qks. Maybe we're giving an unknown too much credit here. Standard line of b/f looks good. Don't want to CR him and be pot committed drawing dead.

jon7alt88 · #4 11-05-2007, 07:55 PM

I also think this is a muck just due to the fact that unless he checks turn were def. behind his range here and we cant exactely call a 400$ bet on turn profitably let alone a river bet, So i think this is def. a muck now.

DannyOcean_ · #5 11-05-2007, 08:00 PM

Does anyone like a check/call on this flop? We are way ahead or way behind, and nobody's drawing. I c/c this flop to induce worse hands to bet.

jon7alt88 · #6 11-05-2007, 08:14 PM

the only reason i dont like check call is because what do you do on turn when he decides to fire two barrells? Then you have to take a really passive line on turn and river when u are stuck c/c with a possibly inferior hand w/o trying to get any information out of the opponent.

DannyOcean_ · #7 11-05-2007, 08:19 PM

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the only reason i dont like check call is because what do you do on turn when he decides to fire two barrells? Then you have to take a really passive line on turn and river when u are stuck c/c with a possibly inferior hand w/o trying to get any information out of the opponent.

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I disagree with your line of thinking. My goal is not to 'get information', its to maximize EV. often times getting information will help us maximize EV, but not always. If i raise half my stack on the first hand with 78o, and someone pushes, i've gained a lot of information about his hand but lost EV. So any time someone justifies a play with 'it gets information', i don't necessarily buy it.

On this particular hand, i would definitely c/c the flop, and the decision to c/c on the turn or river is read dependent and bet-size dependent. I think a lot of typical villians will donk bet small here with lesser hands and then give up or donk bet small again.

Fuxl · #8 11-05-2007, 08:49 PM

It's the 2nd level i usually fold TT to a preflopraise.

jon7alt88 · #9 11-05-2007, 09:04 PM

well danny normall i would agree with you, but in this situation i feel that we are deep stacked enough that this kind of board is not solely a +ev and -ev, i think that at early stages in a sng there are points where u actually have to play poker and not look at it in the +ev or -ev (obviously the information bets are used in order to maximize your ev)but but c/c you are just blindly spewing chips w/o knowing where u are which is HUGE -ev