A floor call I had never seen

[RR]

It is pretty rare that something happens in a poker room I have never seen. I was called to an Omaha game tonight because the dealer had flashed a player's card (no big deal it would become the burn), dealt around and instead of giving the button his fourth card he dealt it to replace the exposed card. I got to the table and there had been a raise and a call and the button pointed out he only had 3 cards. I won't mention what I ruled because that would alter the discussion, but I am interested in what others think should happen.

[UbinTook]

This is the fault of the dealer, player should not be penalized into not being able to play the hand.
Assuming the replacement burn has already been returned to the top of the stub...
Remove the burn(exposed card) deal the next card to the button, return burn to stub, play on.

Only two cards are "out of order", flop , turn , river will remain the same...not enough harm done to warrant punishing button player by not allowing him to play a hand.

But at CAZ, most likely call...no flop, misdeal.

[Mr Rick]

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This is the fault of the dealer, player should not be penalized into not being able to play the hand.
Assuming the replacement burn has already been returned to the top of the stub...
Remove the burn(exposed card) deal the next card to the button, return burn to stub, play on.

Only two cards are "out of order", flop , turn , river will remain the same...not enough harm done to warrant punishing button player by not allowing him to play a hand.


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I agree with this.

However, at Foxwoods they don't care if there is dealer error. If a player has too few cards after there has been any significant action (a call, raise, or two folds) the hand is declared dead because the player failed to protect their hand immediately. That is unless you happen to get a different Floor who rules to just give the player a card. Really. Different rulings depending on who is the Floor at the time.

I was told they are working on being consistent at Foxwoods re Floor decisions.

Three incidents that happened this weekend at Foxwoods 10/20 LHE.
1) Player in MP looks for his 2nd card when its his turn to act. It isn't there. His hand is declared dead by the Floor. There is only one burn card - so flop, turn, and river are different than if all hands had been dealt properly.
2) Player is thinking about flop decision. Dealer burns a card preparing for the turn. Player yells "Stop" very very loudly. All action stops at at least 7 tables. Floor comes over and asks what happened and stays for a couple of hands. Player deliberates and then calls. The odd thing was Floor started to chastise the player for being too dramatic. Several other players jumped in to defend him - because he was trying to stop a dealer error - successfully it turned out. Score one for 2+2, player is a poster here.
3) I am UTG and I stand up for a second and tell dealer I am in the hand. He acknowledges me. When I sit down and look at my card there is only one. Hand is declared a misdeal. Guy with KK next to me tries to look put out. I tell him I want my K.

[NicksDad1970]

W/O thinking too much I would call the hand dead and deal over since there wasn't any action. (NM, I saw there was action)

I swear I've seen something that makes no sense like I'm about to suggest but how about decalring the persons hand dead who only had 3 cards? Unless there was a BBj or the person was in the blinds it wouldn't change much, right?

Ok, I'm tired, back to NVG I go.

[HOWMANY]

The sane thing to do would be just give the button another card but there is no way I can see that flying because poker players are superstitious retards and they couldn't live with giving two people different cards than what they were "supposed" to have.

So kill button's hand is what I would guess happens in this situation.

[snuffdip]

2 dead hands?

[hyde]

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The sane thing to do would be just give the button another card but there is no way I can see that flying because poker players are superstitious retards and they couldn't live with giving two people different cards than what they were "supposed" to have.

So kill button's hand is what I would guess happens in this situation.

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[Coffee]

Because everyone else got what they were "supposed" to get, I would probably treat this like a turn card that gets dealt too early. Reshuffle the remainder of the deck, then give the button his fourth card, and play the hand out. I think the button needs to wake up if he managed to make it to the flop with only three cards, but the fact that there has been action pooches the deal.

I dunno...maybe I'm not understanding what happened.

[afish]

I'd give the button the top card on the deck, but I don't care about the folks who care about the cards that were "supposed" to be on the board.

[Magicmanu]

Button's hand is dead.