FR - Top two OOP

roggles · #1 11-07-2007, 07:51 AM

Should I give this up on the turn? My reasoning here was that if someone had trips, they would raise... Still, my hand is pretty weak

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $116.30
UTG+1: $42.80
MP1: $151
CO: $40
Button: $21.75
roggles: $78.90
BB: $98.35

Pre-flop: (7 players) roggles is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1, folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, roggles calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6, 6 players)
roggles bets $6.5, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($32, 4 players)
roggles bets $32.5, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls all-in $32.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($129, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $128, Sidepot 1: $1)
roggles bets $3, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $3 returned to roggles.

Results:
Final pot: $129

plzbenice · #2 11-07-2007, 09:06 AM

i wouldnt complete preflop even if the odds are great with so many limpers, its just a trash hand that will get you in trouble.

and riverbet what is that a blockinget? do u fold if u get raised?

Buzz · #3 11-07-2007, 09:20 AM

Hi Roggles - Some other poster on this forum can better advise you about what you should do on the turn.

I just have an observation. Queens and eights is pretty cheesy as top two pairs.

Your ace affords some protection, but it's not all that hard for someone to beat your two pairs.

What it boils down to is you only really have four outs for the turn (six if you count the two non-spade aces) - and there are five more or less neutral cards (the non-spade deuces and treys). Every other card in the deck, 34 in all, is potentially bad for you on the turn! And even if you make a full house on the turn, someone might end up with a better full house on the river.

As it turns out, you get one of your five more or less neutral cards on the turn. But then you still have to run the gauntlet on the river.

What should you do on the turn?

I don't know. I don't get to the turn. I dump this hand on the flop. Queens and eights as top two pairs be damned.

I would check/fold on the flop.

Buzz

chucky · #4 11-07-2007, 10:48 AM

I fold preflop. That said, you bet turn since a set raises you on the flop and no draw was completed.