22$ - TT Betting into the aggressor

[Niggel]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t60 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1880)</font>
CO (t1940)
<font color="#C00000">Button (t6220)</font>
SB (t1480)
BB (t5000)
UTG (t1820)
MP1 (t1660)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t180</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls t120, Hero calls t120.

Flop: (t630) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font>

Let's say we check and the button bets 180. What's our move then. Might a check-raise be a good idea?

[pearljem]

depends on reads here.i bet here usually to get some information,we get nothing from checking.if we check and he bets (depending on reads),i would check raise,assuming UTG folds.

[Niggel]

He is really aggressive a loves to make bets in unraised pots IP. Showed down a guthsot, and a mid-pair at the showdown after betting the flop.

[justatrey]

Doesn't a c/r turn our hand into a bluff? If he calls or reraises, he almost always has you beat and you'll have to completely shut down.

I think b/f and c/c if he makes a weak bet are better options. I'd c/f if he makes any reasonable bet.

[allhappythoughts]

I hate a c/r because you're essentially paying way too much for what you can find out with a lead-bet. He will almost only call with better hands so you'll invest a whole lot of chips just to find out where you are. Does he weak bet 180 into a pot of 630 like that?

Given your info, I'd probably try a c/c. If he bets real large I'll fold. I don't like leading here as much without knowing something about UTG. If you told me he was weak passive I'd probably lead, but with nothing on him I'd c/c if UTG folds and it's not a huge bet, then re-evaluate on the turn.

[Niggel]

I actually didn't play this hand. I saw this in a SnG Video by a player with a pretty good ROI on 33$-55$ STT's. I found it on his blog. I love to hear that some of you would have lead out on the turn. That's probably what I would've done.

I like c/c as well, but I hate it if I don't know where I am at.

This is how the hand played out (there was no commentary so I don't know the reasoning behind how the hand played out) [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] :
Flop: (t630) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t180</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1020</font>, Hero calls [t1100] t600, Button calls t680.

Turn: (t2930) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2930) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2930

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ts Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Button has 7d Ac (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins t2930. </font>

[mondonman]

c/c a modest bet on flop if UTG gets out.
If flop is checked thru lead the turn.

c/r is terrible IMO.

[CheeseMoney]

Looks like party 22's are about on par with Stars 3.40s.

[justatrey]

[censored], I didn't see your post about having a read on him as being very aggressive, showing down mediocre hands, etc.

vs. an unknown or good player I think a c/r is horrible. If he is overly aggressive/bad then I don't think a c/r turns the hand into a bluff any more since you're way ahead of his range and don't plan on folding to further action.