Difficult QQ hand...

AZK · #1 03-16-2006, 02:08 AM

I feel like I get killed when I either lead the flop normally or when I try to induce bluffs...this is against curzdog on stars...I have been pretty active preflop, but not against him, against some donkey, and mostly just in my initial raising, my 3betting range is prety tight, so he knows I most likely have either AA or QQ given this action I guess, though I'd probably play JJ this way...meh

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Hero ($4368)
BB ($4651)
UTG ($390)
UTG+1 ($3110)
MP1 ($4120)
MP2 ($2486)
CO ($2400)
Button ($3705)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to $80, 2 folds, Hero raises to $240, 1 fold, MP2 calls $160.

Flop: ($500) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($500) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $440, Hero calls $440.

River: ($1380) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1806 (All-In)

AZK · #2 03-16-2006, 02:10 AM

fwiw, my 3betting range out of the blinds is pretty large when a late position player opens, but less so when it's someone coming in from the middle...

HEK · #3 03-16-2006, 02:18 AM

I don't see you being ahead here very often...especially with that >PSB on the river. Then again, I don't know curz.

thedustbustr · #4 03-16-2006, 02:40 AM

I think it reeks of AK trying to look suspicious, because he knows a normal value bet isn't getting called. Maybe he thinks KQs is slightly in your range, but that's pushing it.

(Or, hell, quads)

FoxwoodsFiend · #5 03-16-2006, 03:06 AM

Against curzdog I fold here. I would probably lead out on the flop or turn to put the heat on him and make sure he actually likes his hand as opposed to just playing against your weakness/passivity.

mikech · #6 03-16-2006, 05:49 AM

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my 3betting range is prety tight, so he knows I most likely have either AA or QQ given this action

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fwiw, my 3betting range out of the blinds is pretty large when a late position player opens, but less so when it's someone coming in from the middle...

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so raise more preflop. if it's gonna give your hand away anyway, might as well make it really expensive, at least 300+.

or, don't 3bet. i bet tommy angelo doesn't reraise QQ from the blinds.

Mad Genius1 · #7 03-16-2006, 06:42 AM

Can you explain your turn check? I like the flop check, but the turn check makes it hard to play since you miss out on value and check-calling him down isn't optimal given board and pot size.

The turn I think is an easy call, and I think the river is an easy fold. However, it's an ugly spot since it doesn't make sense to block the river, which is why I think leading the turn sets up the river to play much more easily.

john kane · #8 03-16-2006, 07:12 AM

the poor play is preflop imo. why do you want to hike up the pot when your basically giving away what hand youve got and you'll be out of position. if your trying to take it down raise more preflop so he's not getting odds with a pocket pair to take down an overpair to the board when it comes. also, he knows he in position and knows your hand JJ-AA so you fold equity shoots down.

flat call preflop. disguise your hand.

flawless_victory · #9 03-16-2006, 07:23 AM

id prob call that motherfvcker.

flawless_victory · #10 03-16-2006, 07:24 AM

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the poor play is preflop imo. why do you want to hike up the pot when your basically giving away what hand youve got and you'll be out of position. if your trying to take it down raise more preflop so he's not getting odds with a pocket pair to take down an overpair to the board when it comes. also, he knows he in position and knows your hand JJ-AA so you fold equity shoots down.

flat call preflop. disguise your hand.

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some1 start a poll so we can vote on wheher this is a gimmick acct.