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Old 11-17-2007, 11:47 AM
Munchkin Mayor Munchkin Mayor is offline
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Villain in this hand is one of the better players in the room. I think he may be a little too tight, but he is aggressive and reads hands pretty well. He is running terrible.

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Who is the Villain? Seems like you are describing yourself!
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Old 11-17-2007, 11:56 AM
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Based on your read you say this player is too tight yet you still three bet his UTG raise. Why? I would imagine that it has to do with him running bad.

You also say he is one of the better players in the room and reads hands well. I would have to be there but this does not seem like a good spot for a turn raise given the cards on the board and the opponent you are against(even though he is running bad). Have you seen him make some big laydown?
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:39 PM
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I really don't understand the whole line. Do you think he is checkraising the flop more often with a hand you are ahead of than with a Jack or better? Or really calling just hoping for a good bluff card on the turn or river?

If he is maybe a little too tight, raises utg, then check-raises the flop, it seems to me that it is time to give it up.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:16 PM
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I don't think he finds a turn fold here. If he's descent then he has to have a big hand. I mean, he checked raised a preflop 3 better... then donked the turn into one of six cards that would hit AK... seems fishy to me. Play so far would SCREAM AK to me and the rest of the table... and he still bet into you on the turn.

I don't like the turn raise.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:21 PM
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Is this 10 handed? If it is this is a fold pf, given that he's a tight raiser utg.

I actually hate the turn play here. What hands is he folding that you beat? I don't think he's gonna toss AJ and the K is likely to hit him if he were getting out of line w/a hand like KdQd, AdKd on the flop. I actually prefer to just toss it on this turn.

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It is 9-handed and I cant believe folding 99 pf is ever an option here.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:23 PM
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. He has AJ or a flush draw every time.

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I don't think this player check raises a flopped flush draw in a heads up situation. Not a particularly good move.

He probably has AJ or tens and wants to see where you are at.

My question: would three betting the flop be total spew?

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I dont like 3betting flop here. It defines my hand such that he is more willing to go to showdown with a better hand.
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Old 11-17-2007, 03:30 PM
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I don't think he finds a turn fold here. If he's descent then he has to have a big hand. I mean, he checked raised a preflop 3 better... then donked the turn into one of six cards that would hit AK... seems fishy to me. Play so far would SCREAM AK to me and the rest of the table... and he still bet into you on the turn.

I don't like the turn raise.

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What line would you take with AJ in his spot on the turn?
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Old 11-17-2007, 04:18 PM
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Is this 10 handed? If it is this is a fold pf, given that he's a tight raiser utg.

I actually hate the turn play here. What hands is he folding that you beat? I don't think he's gonna toss AJ and the K is likely to hit him if he were getting out of line w/a hand like KdQd, AdKd on the flop. I actually prefer to just toss it on this turn.

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It is 9-handed and I cant believe folding 99 pf is ever an option here.

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If he's a tight raiser than 99 is a dog to his range JJ+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs. I just don't think its a clear 3 bet but at worst its only a slight mistake.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:51 PM
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Mitch, I believe you said villain has {AJ, flushdraw} every time? If so, open up pokerstove, dude. You should definitely fold the turn and it's not close.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:53 PM
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fold preflop
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