STTF SNG->cash thread

[slimon]

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter



UTG: $57.35
CO: $49.40
BTN: $53.50
SB: $61.65
Hero (BB): $74.80

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, SB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $8.50

Turn: ($27.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls $20

River: ($67.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $27.90 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $27.90

Results: $123.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a straight, Five high) and WON $120.30 (+$58.65 NET)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$61.65 NET)

I had AKo but how come the converter shows AKo twice? For the flop I raised him to protect me from draws and since the turn was a blank card I bet again. The river I called because I didn't think the 7 helped him.

Is raising the flop ok? Won't raising the flop make the weaker A's fold and only let AQo, or set or 3's , K10Spade,A3o, flush draws call me? How do I know when to raise the flop or not?

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

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New player to table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($55.65)
MP ($22.50)
Hero ($81.15)
Button ($102.40)
SB ($19.05)
BB ($52.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP (poster) raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($8) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, MP calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($23) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

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I shove the turn 100% of the time. People who buy in for stupid amounts, post mid-orbit, and donk-bet $1.50 into a $20 pot are fairly likely to have stupid hands like T-high flush draws. As played I guess I don't hate calling down as you did. If he does call you with A4o, you'll get the $$ back anyway since you're sitting directly to his left and he's obviously beyond terrible.

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I post as soon as I get to the table. Why is this bad?

[GtrHtr]

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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter



UTG: $57.35
CO: $49.40
BTN: $53.50
SB: $61.65
Hero (BB): $74.80

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, SB calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $8.50

Turn: ($27.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls $20

River: ($67.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $27.90 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $27.90

Results: $123.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a straight, Five high) and WON $120.30 (+$58.65 NET)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$61.65 NET)

I had AKo but how come the converter shows AKo twice? For the flop I raised him to protect me from draws and since the turn was a blank card I bet again. The river I called because I didn't think the 7 helped him.

Is raising the flop ok? Won't raising the flop make the weaker A's fold and only let AQo, or set or 3's , K10Spade,A3o, flush draws call me? How do I know when to raise the flop or not?

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clearly the deck is stacked, ducy?

[Slim Pickens]

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New player to table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($55.65)
MP ($22.50)
Hero ($81.15)
Button ($102.40)
SB ($19.05)
BB ($52.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.75.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP (poster) raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($8) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, MP calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($23) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $3.5</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

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I shove the turn 100% of the time. People who buy in for stupid amounts, post mid-orbit, and donk-bet $1.50 into a $20 pot are fairly likely to have stupid hands like T-high flush draws. As played I guess I don't hate calling down as you did. If he does call you with A4o, you'll get the $$ back anyway since you're sitting directly to his left and he's obviously beyond terrible.

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I post as soon as I get to the table. Why is this bad?

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Nothing bad by itself, but combined with buying in for some odd amount and min-raising your option, it's pretty much broadcasting donk rays over the entire valley.

[DevinLake]

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I post as soon as I get to the table. Why is this bad?

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Nothing bad by itself, but combined with buying in for some odd amount and min-raising your option, it's pretty much broadcasting donk rays over the entire valley.

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It's bad because it costs you 67% more to play that orbit.

The donks make it even worse because they over defend their posts.

[microbet]

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I post as soon as I get to the table. Why is this bad?

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I'll put it two ways:

Winning one tenth of a big blind per hand is winning pretty big.

If you use PT look at how much money you win/lose in what positions.

The only reason to do it, besides just paying to play because you don't want to wait, is because it makes you look like a donkey.

[Josem]

on a full 6-player table, you are normally forced to pay 1.5big blinds per 6 hands.

If you post in the CO, you are paying 1 big blind to see 3 hands (equivalent to 2 big blinds per 6 hands).

If you post in UTG+1, you are paying 1 big blind to see 2 hands (equivalent to 3 big blinds per 6 hands).

If you post in UTG, you are paying 1 big blind to see 1 hand (equivalent to 6 big blinds per 6 hands).



If you think that putting extra money into the pot blind is advantageous, you should have a VPIP of 100% UTG.

[cakewalk]

the first thing i ever learned was to wait for the BB. goes to show don't take things for granted

[Slim Pickens]

Well, you guys need to discount that 1 BB by a lot. There's really no relevant stat in PT because when you post, you're playing a random hand from some position in which you don't normally play a random hand. I've got no idea what my BB/100 is from the CO with 93o, but I doubt it's as bad as -100 BB/100.

It's still -EV to post, unless it's live. Then it's worth it just to not have to stab yourself with a pencil to stay awake until it gets to your BB, then never have a single preflop raise called ever because people think you're a nit.

[Jbrochu]

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the first thing i ever learned was to wait for the BB. goes to show don't take things for granted

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At a full table, posting from the CO works out just about the same as posting from the BB. 6-handed I wait for the BB.