KK in reraised pot, ragged board. getting action deepstacked

[Fiksdal]

OP your table image plays a big role here. If you are like 14/11 or something then I think this is closer to a fold here.

yeah I`m 16/10.

[bozzer]

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OP your table image plays a big role here. If you are like 14/11 or something then I think this is closer to a fold here.

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what???

[Daniel LeClaire]

Thing is you have to put him squarely on a set to make this a good fold. Would he really raise a set here with position and such a dry board? I think he's range is more heavily weighted towards an overpair. Raising on a dry board with an overpair makes more sense here.

[derosnec]

you need to have a plan on the flop.

for example, "if i call flop raise, i'm getting it all in somehow on a blank turn. if i am going to check-fold blank turn, then i am going to fold to the flop raise."

or else you're just spewing in my opinion. you put in a 1/3 of your stack and folded to a 1/2 pot bet on the turn when nothing significant developed (except for the straight if he had an OESD).

[traz]

i think folding here is pretty bad. I probably crai on the turn.

[traz]

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Fiksdal,

True regarding the ranges. But wouldn`t villain rather be checking behind on that turn ? He`s in position, so it`s he could just check behind for pot control there. He knows that with his turn bet the rest of the money is going in no matter what. Does he really wanna stack of 240bb there ? With JJ-QQ he knows that he can only beat AK here, and I doubt that he thinks I would call his flop bet with that.

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Why would you assume that villain is good at poker?

[z28dreams]

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you need to have a plan on the flop.

for example, "if i call flop raise, i'm getting it all in somehow on a blank turn. if i am going to check-fold blank turn, then i am going to fold to the flop raise."

or else you're just spewing in my opinion. you put in a 1/3 of your stack and folded to a 1/2 pot bet on the turn when nothing significant developed (except for the straight if he had an OESD).

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Exactly what I was going to post. If you're calling the flop raise, it means you are most likely putting him on another overpair.

What do you think of just calling down rather than shoving on the turn?

[traz]

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i think folding here is pretty bad. I probably crai on the turn.

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Edit-- I didn't realise stacks were so deep, so I'm not sure if I crai. But I definitely don't fold.

[bgott224]

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Fiksdal,

True regarding the ranges. But wouldn`t villain rather be checking behind on that turn ? He`s in position, so it`s he could just check behind for pot control there. He knows that with his turn bet the rest of the money is going in no matter what. Does he really wanna stack of 240bb there ? With JJ-QQ he knows that he can only beat AK here, and I doubt that he thinks I would call his flop bet with that.

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You are giving villain, who appears to be a standard laggish spewtard, way way way too much credit here.

Also, this is a pretty broad generalization but I think most players like this call with a set on such a dry board. I'd say TT-QQ is his most likely holding.I don't even rule A9 suited out.