some hands from tonights 2/4 session...UB

[JeffM]

So after running at around 5ptbb/100 over 100k hands i've got a nice little 35k hand breakeven stretch going so i'm just posting a few hands from my latest disaster session to get some feedback. Some of these hands I like how I played but there are a couple that i hate.


Hand #1 villian is a 51/9/3 donk but I haven't played with him too long. I'm 21/19/6 but I doubt he notices.

Hand #47284050-6247 at Dolomite (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Oct/07 20:57:35

nuffgreed is at seat 0 with $1222.70.
Elimidonk is at seat 1 with $388.
JeffTheDrunk5 is at seat 2 with $407.70.
nextmove2 is at seat 3 with $649.
mzmzjz is at seat 4 with $328.80.
SwedishPhenom is at seat 5 with $400.
The button is at seat 1.

JeffTheDrunk5 posts the small blind of $2.
nextmove2 posts the big blind of $4.

nuffgreed: -- --
Elimidonk: -- --
JeffTheDrunk5: 9c 9s
nextmove2: -- --
mzmzjz: -- --
SwedishPhenom: -- --

Pre-flop:

mzmzjz folds. SwedishPhenom folds. nuffgreed folds.
Elimidonk raises to $14. JeffTheDrunk5 re-raises to
$51. nextmove2 calls. Elimidonk folds.

Flop (board: Jd 4s 8d):

JeffTheDrunk5 bets $90. nextmove2 calls.

Turn (board: Jd 4s 8d Th):

JeffTheDrunk5 goes all-in for $266.70. nextmove2
calls.

River (board: Jd 4s 8d Th 3s): He shows KJ blah.

Hand 2 villian 61/14 over a very small sample. I notice he's splashing around a bit but nothing major.

and #47284070-4063 at Elba (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Oct/07 20:47:38

saphero is at seat 0 with $313.20.
drfrankk is at seat 1 with $200.
tdonnelly is at seat 2 with $194.
nuffgreed is at seat 3 with $396.
babylonian69 is at seat 4 with $141.70.
JeffTheDrunk5 is at seat 5 with $400.
The button is at seat 2.

nuffgreed posts the small blind of $2.
babylonian69 posts the big blind of $4.
drfrankk posts out of turn for $4.

saphero: -- --
drfrankk: -- --
tdonnelly: -- --
nuffgreed: -- --
babylonian69: -- --
JeffTheDrunk5: Tc Ts

Pre-flop:

JeffTheDrunk5 raises to $18. saphero folds.
drfrankk calls. tdonnelly calls. nuffgreed folds.
babylonian69 calls.

Flop (board: 5h 8h 3s):

babylonian69 checks. JeffTheDrunk5 bets $65.
drfrankk folds. tdonnelly raises to $130.
babylonian69 folds. JeffTheDrunk5 goes all-in for
$382. tdonnelly goes all-in for $176. JeffTheDrunk5
is returned $206 (uncalled).

Turn (board: 5h 8h 3s 4d):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5h 8h 3s 4d 9d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

JeffTheDrunk5 shows Tc Ts.
JeffTheDrunk5 has Tc Ts 5h 8h 9d: a pair of tens.
tdonnelly shows 8s 8d.
tdonnelly has 8s 8d 5h 8h 9d: three eights.


Hand #47284070-4063 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $426.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
tdonnelly wins $422.50 with three eights.
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Hand 3 Villian is a 21/11/1.5 reg with a win money at showdown over 50% and a W$WSF around 40%...you know the type. Him and I have a little history and I know he views me as very aggro and will play back at me and float me sometimes. Doesn't like to give me credit in general. Normally I bet this turn b/c i double barrel a lot with nothing, but I try to throw in some c/r on turns to discourage aggro players from floating.

Hand #47284052-4513 at Dupree (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Oct/07 23:34:39

JeffTheDrunk5 is at seat 0 with $1030.50.
r_b is at seat 1 with $400.
azzato is at seat 2 with $516.50.
dirtysig is at seat 4 with $213.40.
Lemme Win is at seat 5 with $394.
The button is at seat 4.

Lemme Win posts the small blind of $2.
JeffTheDrunk5 posts the big blind of $4.

JeffTheDrunk5: Ad Kh
r_b: -- --
azzato: -- --
dirtysig: -- --
Lemme Win: -- --

Pre-flop:

r_b calls. azzato folds. dirtysig folds. Lemme
Win calls. JeffTheDrunk5 raises to $16. r_b calls.
Lemme Win folds.

Flop (board: 8c Ah 5h):

JeffTheDrunk5 bets $36. r_b calls.

Turn (board: 8c Ah 5h Qc):

JeffTheDrunk5 checks. r_b bets $108. JeffTheDrunk5
raises to $432. r_b goes all-in for $348.
JeffTheDrunk5 is returned $84 (uncalled).

River (board: 8c Ah 5h Qc 4d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

JeffTheDrunk5 shows Ad Kh.
JeffTheDrunk5 has Ad Kh 8c Ah Qc: a pair of aces.
r_b shows 5d 5c.
r_b has 5d 5c Ah 5h Qc: three fives.


Hand #47284052-4513 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $804.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
r_b wins $801.50 with three fives.
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hand 4. villian is another 50/3/1 type donk who is just crushing me tonight by calling me down extremely light and making monster hands on turn and river when i'm strong. I stopped bluffing him long ago but I know he still thinks i'm bluffing him every pot.

Hand #47286826-1936 at North Las Vegas (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Oct/07 23:41:11

goods2001 is at seat 0 with $419.
r_b is at seat 1 with $469.80.
JeffTheDrunk5 is at seat 2 with $394.
canuck3 is at seat 3 with $849.40.
Xeric is at seat 5 with $400.
The button is at seat 2.

canuck3 posts the small blind of $2.
Xeric posts the big blind of $4.

goods2001: -- --
r_b: -- --
JeffTheDrunk5: Ad Ah
canuck3: -- --
Xeric: -- --

Pre-flop:

goods2001 folds. r_b folds. JeffTheDrunk5 raises to
$14. canuck3 calls. Xeric folds.

Flop (board: Qs 8s 9c):

canuck3 checks. JeffTheDrunk5 bets $32. canuck3
calls.

Turn (board: Qs 8s 9c 9d):

canuck3 checks. JeffTheDrunk5 bets $85. canuck3
calls.

River (board: Qs 8s 9c 9d 3s):

canuck3 checks. JeffTheDrunk5 bets $200. canuck3
goes all-in for $718.40. JeffTheDrunk5 goes all-in
for $263. canuck3 is returned $455.40 (uncalled).



Showdown:

canuck3 shows Ac 9s.
canuck3 has Ac 9s Qs 9c 9d: three nines.
JeffTheDrunk5 shows Ad Ah.
JeffTheDrunk5 has Ad Ah Qs 9c 9d: two pair, aces and nines.


Hand #47286826-1936 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $792.
canuck3 wins $790 with three nines.
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Last hand for now...Villian i have not played with for long but have him datamined over 350 hands around 32/22/3.

Hand #47301229-7688 at Dothan (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Oct/07 17:53:13

denik is at seat 0 with $469.90.
JeffTheDrunk5 is at seat 1 with $557.15.
bucketface2 is at seat 2 with $389.
GoOnSon777 is at seat 3 with $96.95.
namgod is at seat 4 with $96.
Lilbicky is at seat 5 with $103.
The button is at seat 1.

bucketface2 posts the small blind of $2.
GoOnSon777 posts the big blind of $4.

denik: -- --
JeffTheDrunk5: Js Ac
bucketface2: -- --
GoOnSon777: -- --
namgod: -- --
Lilbicky: -- --

Pre-flop:

namgod raises to $8. Lilbicky folds. denik calls.
JeffTheDrunk5 re-raises to $38. bucketface2 folds.
GoOnSon777 folds. namgod folds. denik calls.

Flop (board: 5c 4d Jd):

denik checks. JeffTheDrunk5 bets $65. denik calls.


Turn (board: 5c 4d Jd 7c):

denik checks. JeffTheDrunk5 bets $165. denik goes
all-in for $366.90. JeffTheDrunk5 calls.

River (board: 5c 4d Jd 7c Ad):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

denik shows 8s 8d.
denik has 8s 8d Jd 7c Ad: a pair of eights.
JeffTheDrunk5 shows Js Ac.
JeffTheDrunk5 has Js Ac Jd 7c Ad: two pair, aces and jacks.


Hand #47301229-7688 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $953.80.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
JeffTheDrunk5 wins $950.30 with two pair, aces and jacks.
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[jessica1994]

bet/calling AA on river when flush gets there is terrible

[JeffM]

The hand history makes it a little confusing but after I bet $200 on the river it his push was only like $50 more.

[pureklas]

The main thing I see from all these hands jeff is that your cbets are too much. You are betting pot or close to it nearly every flop. This is a common leak for alot of UB players. You are basically creating a really big pot and committing yourself to the hand on the flop because now your turn bet will be alot larger and you will be getting great odds to call turn shoves with your good hands.

Also, you are also making your 3bets pf pot when you should be making them slightly more to cut down on implied odds and for your squeezes to increase the chance that villain will fold.

[JeffM]

I'm surprised to hear you say this b/c I almost never use the bet pot button nor did I in any of the above hands. I usually bet about 2/3 to 3/4 pot depending on the board. As far as 3 betting pre...my general rule is if i'm in position I just reraise the pot and if i'm out of position i'll reraise more than the pot. Any thoughts on post flop play in these hands?

[pureklas]

Wait... what?

Hand 1: Pot $108 jeff bets $90
Hand 2: Pot $65 Jeff betss $65
Hand 3: Pot $36 jeff bets $36
hand 4: Pot $32 Jeff bets $32

As for being in position and reraising pot this doesnt change the fact that you offer implied odds.

[JeffM]

Well, just so you know $90 is less than $108. hand 2 you should redo your math as the pot was $82 and I bet 65. hand 3 the pot is almost 40 and i bet 36. Hand 4 is the only hand I hit the bet pot button as in this hand I have an overpair on a drawy board vs. a total donk who's not folding no matter what. You cant implore me to reraise more than pot pre, but make sure that I bet less than full pot on the flop. Also, position certainly matters when making your reraise sizing preflop. While it doesn't change the straight math of the implied odds, it is advantageous to play pots in position so a larger than pot reraise is not necessary since you will have a huge advantage playing these pots in position. When I am out of position I want to reraise large to "charge" them for having position on me the rest of the hand.

[pureklas]

[ QUOTE ]
The main thing I see from all these hands jeff is that your cbets are too much. You are betting pot or close to it nearly every flop. This is a common leak for alot of UB players. You are basically creating a really big pot and committing yourself to the hand on the flop because now your turn bet will be alot larger and you will be getting great odds to call turn shoves with your good hands.

Also, you are also making your 3bets pf pot when you should be making them slightly more to cut down on implied odds and for your squeezes to increase the chance that villain will fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

[JeffM]

So you looked at all these hands and the biggest thing you came up with is that I bet $32 into $36 pot or $65 into $80 pot or $90 into $110 pot??? what would you suggest? Half pot bets? I mean i guess if my biggest leak is betting $2 or $3 too much with my bet sizing then my game is pretty tight.

[pureklas]

Jeff i took the time to decipher through those hand histories, when many won't beacuse you were too lazy to convert them and instead of listening to advice you question and fight it. I was trying to help you.

I never said I discovered you biggest leak, that is ignorance clearly. You have made a mistake pf and on the flop all with bets sizes and these mistakes set up the rest of the steets. It appears you had no plan for any of these hands other than to bet and get it allin. You left yourself little or no room to fold in any of the hands because the bet sizes had you committed.

Read more, post more, watch some videos, have a little courtesy for those taking the time to help you. I will not be responding in this thread again.