KJs from BB

derwipok · #1 10-13-2007, 11:26 AM

One of the first hands at the table, so no reads on villains

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 3-bets, MP3 folds, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Here I assume I'm ahead and go for a c/r. I cap this because UTG+2 could easily 3-bet the flop with TPTK or overpair.

Turn: (10.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises a half BB and is all-in , UTG+2 raises to the other half, Hero ?.

UTG+2 still raising worries me. I think he could have a set but TPTK or overpair are still possible so I think I should call down.
Is it right to call this down or should I consider 3-betting the turn?

V4P · #2 10-13-2007, 11:59 AM

Just call down and hope that the river isn't an A, 7, or 5

Fantam · #3 10-13-2007, 03:50 PM

I think this is close, but there are only 2 combinations of KK and JJ that your opponent could have that beat you.

I think that I would 3-bet the turn and call down to a cap.

arch_angel · #4 10-13-2007, 04:18 PM

Think of what you're beating and what you're losing to and figure out how likely each is.

you're losing to KK(on combo) JJ(one combo) and 77(three combos), tied w/ KJ (4ways), beating K7(unlikely to be raised pf same for J7) AA(6ways) and AK(16ways).

Because this is a first few hands, I might raise, thinking AK is the most likely holding followed by AA, both of which you beat, and against an unknown most .25/.50 players (who aren't extremely passive) will play TPTK, or AA as an overpair aggressively if the only things that can beat them are 2pair or a set.

I like the raise here and if you get capped check calling the river.

JSmith2007 · #5 10-13-2007, 04:40 PM

Pretty easy 3-bet to me. AK, AA, and even KQ/QJ are more possible hands than 55 or 77. 77 would be the hand I'm most worried about, but again, I think UTG+2 is going to flip over AK AA KQ QJ KJ more times (obviously) than 77 which makes your 3-bet ok. If it's capped, just check/call the river.

scpi10 · #6 10-13-2007, 11:42 PM

grunch

Without reads I would call down from the turn raise. If you had a read he is overly aggressive wtih top pair or he's a maniac I'd 3 bet it.

Landonfan · #7 10-13-2007, 11:47 PM

Since you have a jack and king, I would 3bet, hoping villain is overplaying AK/AA.