$100NL - QQ, M-Set, All Heart flop.

[Landlord79]

BB is 54/20/1.8
UTG is 64/15/2

What do you put the Villains on?
Do you call all-in here?
Do you expect the BB to come along?

I'll give my thoughts later or in the morning, but wanted to know what others thought since it looks really close to me or even bad.

Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($47.50)
SB ($126.75)
BB ($162.35)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($174.80)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($108.00)</font>
MP1 ($100.00)
MP2 ($160.95)
MP3 ($61.25)
CO ($88.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4.5</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls $3.50, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($14) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $170.3 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ????</font>

[SABR42]

Beat them into the pot.

[bottomset]

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Beat them into the pot.

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yeah, enjoy the variance

[five4suited]

Their VPIP's mean they could have anything, but their AF's mean that you're behind. If BB has KQ you don't have the odds to fill up. Same goes if one or both of them has a set. You are getting a little better than 2:1... If they both have flushes, you can call. It all comes down to what they'd be betting here... reads?

[bottomset]

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but their AF's mean that you're behind.

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if the sample size is decent

they are far far more aggro than most &lt;20VPIPs

2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP

[five4suited]

Thank you for pointing that out.

[Landlord79]

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but their AF's mean that you're behind.

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if the sample size is decent

they are far far more aggro than most &lt;20VPIPs

2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP

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Can you elaborate on this? I want to get my hands around it to understand fully what you are saying.

[SABR42]

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but their AF's mean that you're behind.

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if the sample size is decent

they are far far more aggro than most &lt;20VPIPs

2AF with a 50VPIP is very aggro, probably something in the upper3/4 range if they were 18VPIP

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Can you elaborate on this? I want to get my hands around it to understand fully what you are saying.

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Someone with a very high VPIP is seeing a ton of flops, and most of the time he's going to have nothing on the flop. It's harder to bet/raise when you have air or weak draws most of the time.

[Chargers In 07]

what if he just plays hit or miss poker? his stats would not reflect that.

[SABR42]

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what if he just plays hit or miss poker? his stats would not reflect that.

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Well it's really hard to play "hit or miss" when you have a VPP over 50%. Quite often they hit something like mid pair, top pair no kicker, or draws, which they're not folding, but not raising either because they're calling stations.