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Old 12-01-2007, 11:44 AM
JohnnyGroomsTD JohnnyGroomsTD is offline
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Default Another question on player preferences.

How many of you have played in a card room that uses a betting line? Do you prefer it, or the forward motion rule?
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

The first time I played poker in a casino there was a betting line, I remember very vividly that a player reached out over the line with chips and tapped the table like a check. He was required to bet (this was a limit game but it might have been spread limit 1-4-8-8). At the time I felt like the line was good thing, I thought I was being protected from players doing dishonest things (like pretend to bet but actually check).

Over time I have learned to despise the lines. They become the tools of nits. "That chip didn't go over the line" or people playing games pushing their chips up to the line but not going over. I happened to be at Palace Station on the morning that they had just put in new felts with the betting lines (I'm not a regular there but picked this up from the converstaion) before the game got started the local nits were actually debating whether a chip had to cross the inside plane of the line or the outside plane of the line before it was a bet.

Today I would prefer that there not be a betting line.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:01 PM
Don Olney Don Olney is offline
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

Here in Vegas I have played both.
It seems in the limit games the bet line did not really make a difference BUT in no-limit the bet line does help. I guess given a one or the other choice I would take the bet line. It does cut down on the DID HE OR DID HE NOT use forward motion.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

Like psandman said, I think that betting lines become a tool that nits and angle shooters exploit. I prefer the forward motion rule.

I always just verbalize what I am doing. It removes all doubt.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

We've had this discussion many times in the past. I'm pretty sure the consensus is that having the line is good (to help the dealers handle short-armed players), but attaching rules to the line is bad.

Of course, I might be thinking that was the consensus because it's how I feel about the matter personally...
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

Having a line is good because the bets are out there where you can see them and it is easier on the dealer not having to reach as far.

Enforceing the line sucks for all the reasons stated previously and I remeber playing with an old guy that never made a betting line violation without the NUTS.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

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We've had this discussion many times in the past. I'm pretty sure the consensus is that having the line is good (to help the dealers handle short-armed players), but attaching rules to the line is bad.

Of course, I might be thinking that was the consensus because it's how I feel about the matter personally...

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I tend to disagree with this. When players see a line they tend to associate rules with it. A player who sees a betting line, but then doesn't see it enforced feels that rules are being broken.

If you are concerned with dealers not being able to reach bets perhaps a design on the felt (such as the casino logo in various spots on the table) could be used to act as a landmark "please push that past the logo so that i can reach it"

I have a long wingspan so i don't have this problem.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:03 PM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

I am not a fan of the betting line, I much rather prefer competent dealers. If there is a case where they were not prevalent perhaps I would push for the betting line.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:36 PM
Twistofsin Twistofsin is offline
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

I don't hate the line so much as the nazi's who treat it like it's magic. I have made obvious checking motions (tapping the table with my knuckles, palm up holding the chips I was shuffling) that barely crossed the line and been forced to bet by overzealous dealers in a tournament.

One dealer even thought it was a game, and smugly told the floor 5 mins later (while she was still dealing my table) that she would probably catch me again before the tournament is over.

I won that tourney and explained to the floor afterwards that I wasn't tipping because of her attitude. No love for dealers who are 'out to get me'.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: Another question on player preferences.

As long as the line (and the area covered by it) is not large, then it does not bother me.
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