Worst downswing ever?

[Troll_Inc]

Your post makes sense and I agree with everything you said.

Additionally I would like to add... what I find about hand ranges is that it is really easy to put your opponent on a wide range. Then with more info (say on the turn your opponent re-raises you..and you have never seen this before) you push allin with your initial read and then tell yourself that you got "coolered" or unlucky. You did get a bit unlucky perhaps, but what I find often is that it's easy to not be honest about what exactly happened in the hand on each street.

PokerEV/tracker are also nice in this respect with the hand replayer, where you can easily analyze each street objectively (after the session or the next day).

[Paulie Walnuts]

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I have a question. When you guys are on these horrible downswings, are they primarily from outrageous and constant outdraws?

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No doubt about it they are. Combined with getting it all in with 18 outs over and over and missing every one over and over. While on the other hand a guy is all in and hits his one unshared dangler for a 3 buy-in pot to put you on super tilt= recipe for disaster.

[plomahaaaa]

Wow, you guys are some peddlers. Standard bad day for me is at least 10 buyins.

[jbird]

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While on the other hand a guy is all in and hits his one unshared dangler for a 3 buy-in pot to put you on super tilt= recipe for disaster.

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The very interesting thing about my 27 bi downswing is that on the back side of it I think that tilt was not, is not, nor will be a significant part of any future downswing ever again. I guess that is one of the positive negatives that can come out of a huge downswing when you are ready to deal with it.

[kolotoure]

I have never had >10 buyin downswing but that is prob because I play in small games that are very passive

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Wow, you guys are some peddlers. Standard bad day for me is at least 10 buyins.

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I cant [censored] believe how many nut peddlers are in the 1/2PLO games. I cant play anything less than 2/4 because all there is is nutpeddlers. The higher u go in limits the more likely u are to find people wiith some stones willing to get it in on a draw

[diebitter]

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Wow, you guys are some peddlers. Standard bad day for me is at least 10 buyins.

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I cant [censored] believe how many nut peddlers are in the 1/2PLO games. I cant play anything less than 2/4 because all there is is nutpeddlers. The higher u go in limits the more likely u are to find people wiith some stones willing to get it in on a draw

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Tell me about it. Check this out - action in the space of 15 hands/20 minutes (apologies for no hand conversion, I couldn't get it to work):


PokerStars Game #13408302492: Omaha Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/11/22 - 22:03:21 (ET) Table 'Irus' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: **Tycoon** ($531.40 in chips) Seat 2: 1Do2Den007 ($1302.15 in chips) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ ($302.80 in chips) Seat 4: alexia18 ($1453.30 in chips) Seat 5: OO-Nasty ($379 in chips) Seat 6: diebitter ($186.65 in chips) Seat 7: Sodom ($88.80 in chips) Seat 8: mnbvcxy ($738.70 in chips) Seat 9: Stud ($243 in chips)
NOXQZEZ: posts small blind $3
alexia18: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to diebitter [Jd 5s Qh Ah]
OO-Nasty: calls $6
diebitter: calls $6
Sodom: folds
mnbvcxy: folds
Stud: folds
**Tycoon**: calls $6
1Do2Den007: folds
NOXQZEZ: calls $3
alexia18: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h 2c 9h]
NOXQZEZ: checks
alexia18: checks
OO-Nasty: checks
diebitter: bets $28.50
**Tycoon**: folds
NOXQZEZ: folds
alexia18: calls $28.50
OO-Nasty: folds
*** TURN *** [5h 2c 9h] [Ad]
alexia18: checks
1Do2Den007 is sitting out
diebitter: bets $84
alexia18: calls $84
*** RIVER *** [5h 2c 9h Ad] [6h]
1Do2Den007 leaves the table
alexia18: bets $252
diebitter: calls $68.15 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
alexia18: shows [3h Ac Jh 3c] (a flush, Jack high)
diebitter: shows [Jd 5s Qh Ah] (a flush, Ace high) diebitter collected $388.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $391.30 | Rake $3
Board [5h 2c 9h Ad 6h]
Seat 1: **Tycoon** folded on the Flop
Seat 2: 1Do2Den007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 4: alexia18 (big blind) showed [3h Ac Jh 3c] and lost with a flush, Jack high Seat 5: OO-Nasty folded on the Flop Seat 6: diebitter showed [Jd 5s Qh Ah] and won ($388.30) with a flush, Ace high Seat 7: Sodom folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: mnbvcxy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Stud folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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PokerStars Game #13408325420: Omaha Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/11/22 - 22:04:45 (ET) Table 'Irus' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: **Tycoon** ($525.40 in chips) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ ($296.80 in chips) Seat 4: alexia18 ($1266.65 in chips) Seat 5: OO-Nasty ($373 in chips) Seat 6: diebitter ($388.30 in chips) Seat 7: Sodom ($88.80 in chips) Seat 8: mnbvcxy ($738.70 in chips) Seat 9: Stud ($243 in chips)
alexia18: posts small blind $3
nutsbabys joins the table at seat #2
OO-Nasty: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to diebitter [5d Qd Ts Jd]
diebitter: calls $6
Sodom: calls $6
mnbvcxy: folds
Stud: calls $6
**Tycoon**: folds
NOXQZEZ: folds
alexia18: calls $3
OO-Nasty: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h Tc 9h]
alexia18: checks
OO-Nasty: checks
diebitter: bets $28.50
Sodom: raises $54.30 to $82.80 and is all-in
Stud: raises $154.20 to $237 and is all-in
alexia18: folds
OO-Nasty: folds
diebitter: calls $208.50
*** TURN *** [8h Tc 9h] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [8h Tc 9h 2c] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
diebitter: shows [5d Qd Ts Jd] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Stud: shows [Jc Kd Qc Kh] (a straight, Eight to Queen) diebitter collected $154.20 from side pot Stud collected $154.20 from side pot
Sodom: mucks hand
diebitter collected $137.70 from main pot Stud collected $137.70 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $586.80 Main pot $275.40. Side pot $308.40. | Rake $3 Board [8h Tc 9h 2c 8d] Seat 1: **Tycoon** folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: alexia18 (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 5: OO-Nasty (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: diebitter showed [5d Qd Ts Jd] and won ($291.90) with a straight, Eight to Queen Seat 7: Sodom mucked [9c Ac Qh Th] Seat 8: mnbvcxy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Stud showed [Jc Kd Qc Kh] and won ($291.90) with a straight, Eight to Queen

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PokerStars Game #13408462539: Omaha Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/11/22 - 22:13:02 (ET) Table 'Irus' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: **Tycoon** ($552.40 in chips) Seat 2: nutsbabys ($444 in chips) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ ($278.80 in chips) Seat 4: alexia18 ($1139.15 in chips) Seat 5: OO-Nasty ($391.15 in chips) Seat 6: diebitter ($407.20 in chips) Seat 7: AABassMaster ($172.20 in chips) Seat 9: ckl555 ($150 in chips)
NOXQZEZ: posts small blind $3
alexia18: posts big blind $6
ckl555: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to diebitter [2h 5d 9c 5c]
OO-Nasty: folds
diebitter: calls $6
AABassMaster: folds
ckl555: checks
**Tycoon**: raises $18 to $24
nutsbabys: folds
NOXQZEZ: folds
alexia18: calls $18
diebitter: calls $18
ckl555: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 5h Th]
alexia18: checks
diebitter: bets $78
**Tycoon**: folds
alexia18: calls $78
*** TURN *** [8d 5h Th] [Kd]
alexia18: checks
diebitter: bets $234
alexia18: calls $234
*** RIVER *** [8d 5h Th Kd] [Jd]
alexia18: bets $702
diebitter: calls $71.20 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
alexia18: shows [3c Jh 2s Kh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
diebitter: shows [2h 5d 9c 5c] (three of a kind, Fives) diebitter collected $844.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $847.40 | Rake $3
Board [8d 5h Th Kd Jd]
Seat 1: **Tycoon** folded on the Flop
Seat 2: nutsbabys (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: alexia18 (big blind) showed [3c Jh 2s Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks Seat 5: OO-Nasty folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: diebitter showed [2h 5d 9c 5c] and won ($844.40) with three of a kind, Fives Seat 7: AABassMaster folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: ckl555 folded before Flop

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PokerStars Game #13408582922: Omaha Pot Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/11/22 - 22:20:21 (ET) Table 'Irus' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: **Tycoon** ($504.45 in chips) Seat 2: nutsbabys ($438 in chips) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ ($269.80 in chips) Seat 4: alexia18 ($874.10 in chips) Seat 5: OO-Nasty ($313.40 in chips) Seat 6: diebitter ($832.40 in chips) Seat 7: AABassMaster ($46.15 in chips) Seat 9: ckl555 ($243.10 in chips)
ckl555: posts small blind $3
**Tycoon**: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to diebitter [Kd Kh Ah Qd]
nutsbabys: folds
NOXQZEZ: folds
alexia18: calls $6
OO-Nasty: folds
diebitter: raises $21 to $27
AABassMaster: folds
ckl555: raises $66 to $93
**Tycoon**: folds
alexia18: calls $87
diebitter: calls $66
*** FLOP *** [Ks 6d 9s]
ckl555: bets $150.10 and is all-in
alexia18: calls $150.10
diebitter: raises $589.30 to $739.40 and is all-in
alexia18: calls $589.30
*** TURN *** [Ks 6d 9s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6d 9s 5s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
alexia18: shows [Jc Td 5c Qc] (a pair of Fives)
diebitter: shows [Kd Kh Ah Qd] (three of a kind, Kings) diebitter collected $1178.60 from side pot
ckl555: mucks hand
diebitter collected $732.30 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1913.90 Main pot $732.30. Side pot $1178.60. | Rake $3 Board [Ks 6d 9s 5s 3c] Seat 1: **Tycoon** (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: nutsbabys folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: NOXQZEZ folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: alexia18 showed [Jc Td 5c Qc] and lost with a pair of Fives Seat 5: OO-Nasty folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: diebitter showed [Kd Kh Ah Qd] and won ($1910.90) with three of a kind, Kings Seat 7: AABassMaster (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: ckl555 (small blind) mucked [Ac Ad 7h 9h]

[Elrazor]

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Wow, you guys are some peddlers. Standard bad day for me is at least 10 buyins.

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I cant [censored] believe how many nut peddlers are in the 1/2PLO games. I cant play anything less than 2/4 because all there is is nutpeddlers. The higher u go in limits the more likely u are to find people wiith some stones willing to get it in on a draw

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i find tables full of peddlers as easy to beat as a table full of LAG's tbh. surely a decent player has to have the ability to find an opponents specific weakness and be savvy enough to exploit it??

i find alot of the macho posturing about who loses the most bins, whos the most agressive, etc abit dull