$3/$6 B&M face tough river decision

[Craggoo]

I see a lot of people telling me to fold the turn. Why? Its a completely rainbow board and the only hand that could potentially have me crushed on the river is QJ if i hit the high end of my straight.

[maverickai]

Call down on the river. It's also part of the metagame.
But do you have correct odds to chase your 8 outs on the turn? Well it might not be 8 outs if there is a higher straight out there. I might discount it to 6-7 outs. You gotta have the pot laying ~6:1 for you.

[scpi10]

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Yes he does bet strong draws

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I still think it's a call, if he doesn't bet draws then I would have said 3 bet.

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I think you misread. He lead out on the river, I raised, and he 3 bet. You're suggessting capping second nut straight against a fairly solid regular?

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I missread it, still a call though

[TimovieMan]

To those who don't call the turn:

There are 5 people seeing the flop ("a few" thus two in front of us, hero himself, and the blinds), for 5 SB or 2.5 BB.
When the SB bets the turn, there are two callers, so we're getting 5.5:1 for an 8-outer. I'll call those odds any day...

Heck, even if you make the 9 only a partial 3-outer since there is a chance that someone's got exactly QJ, then the odds are STILL good, especially counting implied odds.

[KitCloudkicker]

i bet the flop.

you arent getting check raised much

you probably can buy yourself a free card on the turn UI

you have good equity on the flop anyway

when you bet this flop, you should be thinking about value. not about making people fold. although, of course, if you can get A8 or K8 to fold, its a nice bonus.

[TimovieMan]

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i bet the flop.

you arent getting check raised much

you probably can buy yourself a free card on the turn UI

you have good equity on the flop anyway

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[bellatrix]

Bob could have misplayed a set (wanting to c/r on the flop) and be betting his hand like this. For exactly this possibility, I would not fold to his 3-bet. If you have this tremendous read on Bob, then I wouldn't cap either, so just call. Please don't fold the 2nd nuts.

I would call the turn with my double gutshot, but as Kit pointed out leading out on the flop for value is a very good idea.

[marchron]

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I try not to get into that mindset that "its only 1 more bet to see it". Those crying calls that you make when you know you can't win add up a lot in live sessions where you see far fewer hands than you would multi-tabling online.

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Yes, but the one crying call you make when you're "sure" you're beat and surprisingly win pay off for the rest of those and then some.

We're not suggesting calling just for the sake of throwing money away.

[Bulletproof Monk]

fold preflop

bet flop

turn is fine

if there is a 4 bet cap on the river then cap, otherwise just call

[Craggoo]

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I try not to get into that mindset that "its only 1 more bet to see it". Those crying calls that you make when you know you can't win add up a lot in live sessions where you see far fewer hands than you would multi-tabling online.

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Yes, but the one crying call you make when you're "sure" you're beat and surprisingly win pay off for the rest of those and then some.

We're not suggesting calling just for the sake of throwing money away.

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Against a random person I don't know i snap call everytime. You have to realize that I play with a lot of the same people on a daily basis so I have a very good idea of how they play. Calling this 3 bet against Bob is spew 100% of the time. He doesnt get out of line ever.