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Old 11-23-2007, 05:25 PM
arod4276 arod4276 is offline
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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80% sure that when allin preflop pokerstars rigs the order of the 5 cards for maximum drama. (most dramatic card on river or turn).

having said that, it doesn't change anything.

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or to keep the 100000s of morons who pay their bills around so they can pay more....either way.
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:03 AM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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80% sure that when allin preflop pokerstars rigs the order of the 5 cards for maximum drama. (most dramatic card on river or turn).

having said that, it doesn't change anything.




or to keep the 100000s of morons who pay their bills around so they can pay more....either way.

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no I'm just saying that AK vs 55 allin

it comes wxy z A, or wxy A z, more often than usual.

as opposed to
wAx y z
wxA y z
Awx y z

where w,x,y,z are non fives.

as you can see it doesn't change the outcome of the hand at all, since all the money went in preflop.
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:59 AM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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it comes wxy z A, or wxy A z, more often than usual.

as opposed to
wAx y z
wxA y z
Awx y z



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What a mathematically sound argument.. Let me guess, the A comes way more often than the K too, amirite? But the K hits the flop rather than the turn/river more often to balance it out? Genius.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:19 AM
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Although I'm not a programmer it wouldn't seem that it would be any harder for a site to program hand results as Bystander suggested than it would be for IGT to program the RNG on individual video poker machines to give varying degrees of advantage to the casino as they have been doing for years.

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The house advantage of video poker machines is set by varying the pay table, not by rigging the RNG. The casino has an advantage because the payouts for the various hands are less than the true odds of making that hand. It also helps that most players don't play correct strategy.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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it comes wxy z A, or wxy A z, more often than usual.

as opposed to
wAx y z
wxA y z
Awx y z





What a mathematically sound argument.. Let me guess, the A comes way more often than the K too, amirite? But the K hits the flop rather than the turn/river more often to balance it out? Genius.

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I'm only talking about when both players (everybody) is allin preflop.

so it doesn't matter what order the 5 board cards come, as far as determining the winner.
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Old 11-25-2007, 11:55 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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Although I'm not a programmer it wouldn't seem that it would be any harder for a site to program hand results as Bystander suggested than it would be for IGT to program the RNG on individual video poker machines to give varying degrees of advantage to the casino as they have been doing for years.

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LOL really you wear your tinfoil to the local b&m's then too? ever heard of a gaming commission?

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Not to waste the time of this forum arguing the arcania of Nevada Gaming Regulation, but the relevant point in regards to the "online poker is rigged" argument is that RANDOMNESS of card distribution does not result in EQUALITY of card distribution, be it amongst video poker machines in a casino or players on a poker site.

The argument that any statistical disparity in card distribution or hand results would be spotted by tracking programs has been ofton made on this forum in defense of the randomness of poker-site RNGs. I would argue that it is just this homogeneity of result that lends credence to claims of programmed "levelling" by the sites as proposed by Bystander earlier in this thread.

Recall from your Stats 101 course the concept of the Inverted Bell Curve when the results of a series of randomly occurring events are displayed on a graph. Rather than appearing roughly as a straight line of equality (the "mean")the results resemble instead the familiar Bell Curve with most occuring bunched either slightly above or below the "mean" line of equality (the fat part of the Bell) but a distinct but diminishing number extending both above and below the "mean"
to a narrow point at the two extremes of the Inverted Bell.

If all the PokerTracker charts we hear of do in fact show a statistical equality of card distribution and winning hand result, roughly in accordance with the "mean", where are the few statistical anomolies located toward the narrow extremities of the Bell Curve, both above and below the "mean" line?

Surely if anyone had PokerTracker proof of such an anomoly they would be eager to share it on this forum but why haven't we heard from them? If the Bell Curve is a valid statistical concept these aberrations must be out there somewhere unless like "the dog that didn't bark" their absence sheds some doubt on the validity of the poker-sites claims of true randomness in their RNGs.
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

Continuing to read the other forum was priceless and revealed gems like this:

"My straight flushes got beat by royal flushes at least five times... And this was a time span over two months."
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