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Old 11-20-2007, 09:17 PM
Thornsten Thornsten is offline
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Default $2 6-Max Shove this pre-flop?

I'm pretty certain I'm a break-even player, but I'm playing exclusively $2 turbo 6-max SNGs for a month and logging the results to be sure.

Villain is 67/11/1 over 43 hands.

Full Tilt Poker, $2 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): 1,685
BTN: 2,665
SB: 4,650

Pre-Flop: (80) A K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 240</font>, SB calls 160

Flop: (480) 7 Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets 480</font>, Hero ???
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:18 PM
JSmith2007 JSmith2007 is offline
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Default Re: $2 Shove this pre-flop?

I disagree with shoving preflop, I think you lose alot of value by shoving preflop. As played, I'd just fold the flop. It's not a turbo, and you're still going to have around 15BBs, so you're not dead water yet.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:46 PM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
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Default Re: $2 6-Max Shove this pre-flop?

I'm confused about the preflop action. Are you on the BB and raised after he completed or on the button and open-raised?

If you're BB, and button folded and SB completed, I'd raise more than that. 3x is still pricing him in to call with pretty much anything and he will usually do so.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:25 PM
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Default Re: $2 6-Max Shove this pre-flop?

Oops, didn't notice the action was messed up. Someone had just gotten eliminated on the last hand, there was no SB this hand. Correct action should be my raise, 1 fold, BB calls 160.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:41 PM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
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Default Re: $2 6-Max Shove this pre-flop?

[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 67/11/1 over 43 hands.

Full Tilt Poker, $2 + $0.25 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 40/80 Blinds, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): 1,685
BTN: 2,665
BB: 4,650

Pre-Flop: (80) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 240</font>, BTN folds, BB calls 160

Flop: (480) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets 480</font>, Hero ???

[/ QUOTE ]

That flop is fairly likely to have hit him, especially given his loose preflop play and the fact that a passive player is now betting.

$EV_fold = 19.49%
$EV_push-win = 36.29%
$EV_push-lose = 0%
$EV_push_nocall = 28.55%

You're probably about a 2:1 underdog if called, so I'll say your equity in that case is 36.29/3 = 12.10%. This means if you get called (19.49-12.10)/(28.55-12.10) = 45% of the time, it breaks even. Is he going to fold more than 45% of the time calling 965 into 2405? I don't think he'll fold unless he's totally bluffing, and I see this as being unlikely given his stats. It's probably best to respect the donk bet here, as much as it sucks to have to fold a good hand.

...and no I don't shove preflop but I don't really think it's a bad idea.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:21 PM
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Default Re: $2 6-Max Shove this pre-flop?

I guess I played it correctly then, I folded. I need to work on not getting emotionally involved I think. It's frustrating to pick up a good starting hand when you're the short stack only to end up getting donked into on the flop when you miss completely.

Thanks for the responses, I still have a looooot to learn.
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