12 outs race with fold equity

[OSUGreg1983]

Villain is 33/10/0.43 over 30ish hands. I'm running 24/18/5 over 30 hands. Shove here? 12 out race (mayyybe more if my over cards are live) with some fold equity.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $12.04
BB: $7.03
Hero (UTG): $11.65
BTN: $5.40

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.20</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.42) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.30</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?

[Lego05]

Yea I shove. Hell at this level there might be a decent chance that both your over's are good.

[gfejs]

I really dont think BB is folding so I might take a cheap look and push if I hit. But thats just because I dont think he is folding... I dunno

[yegon]

I don't think we need fold equity to shove, there's enough ovrlay in the pot allready and this is A8,99 so often that we can expect to have more than 12 outs

[ama0330]

shoving is a huge overbet, id put in a 4bet to 3.50 and call a shove. i guess thats just a finesse thing though.

[Lego05]

Ah...w/e I actually agree with you ama...make it like 3.75 and call a shove. Probably more FE that way though I don't really know what FE is like at 5NL. I'm just not used to 5NL stacks, didn't pay enough attention and didn't think there was much $ left.


Definitely getting it in on the flop if he puts it in though. If we do raise to 3.5 or w/e and just get called and villian checks the turn I probably check behind there though and shove river if I hit.

[ama0330]

Yeah thats the other point, 3.50 lets us get away or take a free card if we do miss the turn.

[Red Shell]

calling at these stakes is should be pretty standard. no need to push as i doubt you get a fold and racing seems pretty pointless given the prices hes giving you. i really doubt he finds a fold if you hit any of your outs.

[OSUGreg1983]

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Ah...w/e I actually agree with you ama...make it like 3.75 and call a shove. Probably more FE that way though I don't really know what FE is like at 5NL. I'm just not used to 5NL stacks, didn't pay enough attention and didn't think there was much $ left.

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BB is .05 but the max buy in is $10, so theres going to be money left behind many times in this spot.

Just one of the many wierd things about PokerStars. This is only the case for .01/.02NL ($5 max) and .02/.05NL ($10 max)....100BB at all other limits I'm pretty sure.

I call and fold unless I improve, against an AF 0.43 and 150bb deep. Just doesn`t looks like he is gonna fold to me.