50/100 deep vs peachy, thin value?

[Christophers]

I saw this hand as it happened and really liked it.

[Bill King]

im interested in what he checks and calls the river with here

[FiSheYe]

I think this is 1 lvl too high for me atm..
I haven't found enough excellent players on my 25/50 games to make such a move necessary so I don't feel qualified to say if it is that good.
Nonetheless I am thankful for the quality of this hand, just shows me how much more I can learn.
Did he called with KK ?

Post more Stinger, we appreciate it.

[ike]

I would fold this most of the time preflop vs peachy, and since you open so much tighter than me I think you can probably even fold this every time preflop. His preflop range has us clobbered so hard that I can't see position being enough to make up for it, even 200BB deep. When we flop an ace he'll usually get away cheap if we're ahead and when much money goes in on ace-hi boards his range will be such that we either stack off bad a lot or fold the best hand a lost. On the other hand, when we don't flop an ace it will be hard to bluff profitably because his range includes so many large pairs.

I think you played postflop very well.

[RickOSU]

so what did peachy end up doing?

[luegofuego]

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i think its cool. u get ownd sometimes, but u own him more.

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i kinda have a feeling u get owned more than u would like here. but its hard to say since peachys turn play with KK or AK prob is 100% stinger dependant. i would definitely not be surprised to see AK a LOT here cause he knows that hero knows that he "should" bet AK to balance his bluffs.

[luegofuego]

hahaha chris just told me results. i swear to god i didnt know results before i posted. ZING!!!!!

[Stinger88]

Yeah he had AK, and yeah I did expect him to bet it on the turn most of the time. Live and learn I guess.

[riverspecialist]

I dont think a 2-way bet can really be correct against a good player that you know very well.

1) When you dont know a player very well they might be tight (folding AX) or they may be loose (calling with jj) but from what you've seen you might speculate he does enough of EITHER to be profitable.

2) If your playing against a player who doesnt have enough history with you or they're bad they may get caught up in the tempo and make BOTH mistakes.

If your playing against a tough player his decisions are going to be good and balanced so he wont make the error in case1. For case 2, if your this agressive he'll pick up on this and ruin these thin value bets.

The bigger problem is with taking "merging" too far that they have too many "bets" in their range (this sounds silly but read it a few times and look at what went wrong in the hand again.) When your playing against strangers (and maybe even regs) you stray farther from optimal play to exploit image, game tempo and reads. But once you have enough history together your history will be a bigger factor than the temporary factors that might let u diverge from optimal play.