Stars $11 x 180, QQ, Call 3rd Raise Preflop?

[Jbrochu]

I usually won't lay down QQ preflop for one reraise but here I raised over an MP raise and then got raised by the button.

Not much of a read on the button since I've only been at the table for a short while, but he was active in a few hands with suspect holdings and had a -50% ROI on sharkscope. He probably didn't notice I've been tight but he had to have noticed MP2 and I both had big stacks.

Can anybody find a fold preflop considering this or do I have to stick them in there?


PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2640)
UTG+1 (t4950)
MP1 (t3905)
MP2 (t6195)
Hero (t6915)
CO (t5965)
Button (t6755)
SB (t4475)
BB (t2650)

Preflop: Hero is in MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to t450</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1300</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t4650</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, Hero...?

[cha59]

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I usually won't lay down QQ preflop for one reraise but here I raised over an MP raise and then got raised by the button.

Not much of a read on the button since I've only been at the table for a short while, but he was active in a few hands with suspect holdings and had a -50% ROI on sharkscope. He probably didn't notice I've been tight but he had to have noticed MP2 and I both had big stacks.

Can anybody find a fold preflop considering this or do I have to stick them in there?


PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2640)
UTG+1 (t4950)
MP1 (t3905)
MP2 (t6195)
Hero (t6915)
CO (t5965)
Button (t6755)
SB (t4475)
BB (t2650)

Preflop: Hero is in MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises to t450</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1300</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t4650</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, Hero...?

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Readless in an 11 in this situation I just stick it in. I think most times youre good here.

[shaundeeb]

honestly I prob call when 20 tabling but when I analyze it buttons cold shoving range is prob QQ+ AK.

[adanthar]

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honestly I prob call when 20 tabling but when I analyze it buttons cold shoving range is prob QQ+ AK.

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Now how does this mesh with the other thread?

[betgo]

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honestly I prob call when 20 tabling but when I analyze it buttons cold shoving range is prob QQ+ AK.

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If that is villain's range, you are 40% against his range, which is ahead of the pot odds you are getting.

I think you have to call against an unknown in a $10 tournament, because there is some possibility he is making a maniac play with whatever. Also, the push looks less dangerous than a bet size tell like minireraising.

[shaundeeb]

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honestly I prob call when 20 tabling but when I analyze it buttons cold shoving range is prob QQ+ AK.

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Now how does this mesh with the other thread?

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this is quite diff than him 3betting and this post is him cold 4betting. Plus the diff of QQ and KK is significant as that hand is a lot more likly to be in his range when you hold KK.

[adanthar]

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honestly I prob call when 20 tabling but when I analyze it buttons cold shoving range is prob QQ+ AK.

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Now how does this mesh with the other thread?

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this is quite diff than him 3betting and this post is him cold 4betting. Plus the diff of QQ and KK is significant as that hand is a lot more likly to be in his range when you hold KK.

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umm *I* would be 4 betting (actually 3 betting) into a thinking player. what's supposed to call this?

[SuperUberBob]

I'm shoving this so hard against an unknown.

[PokerChris17]

Isn't the line, "the third raise is AA or KK"?

[SuperUberBob]

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Isn't the line, "the third raise is AA or KK"?

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T.J. Cloutier isn't referring to cheapie online tournaments when he says that.