Flop play with AQ

jcm4ccc · #1 05-31-2006, 10:35 AM

Perhaps this is a standard situation, but what would you do here? (btw, I meant to raise to 225 pf).

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls t40 (pot was t60), MP2 calls t40 (pot was t100), 2 folds, Button calls t40 (pot was t140), Hero raises to t205, 2 folds, MP2 calls t185 (pot was t345), Button folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t530, 2 players)
Hero ???

guaranteedBluff · #2 05-31-2006, 10:39 AM

My default play is a continuation bet of t300-350 (low bc of the lack of draws).

Depending on your image, you should mix in a check behind sometimes (i.e. if you've been active and feel villain is especially likely to play back at you).

seke2 · #3 05-31-2006, 10:43 AM

Preflop is fine. Flop you should cbet about 350.

jcm4ccc · #4 05-31-2006, 10:44 AM

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Preflop is fine. Flop you should cbet about 350.

[/ QUOTE ] Nobody is worried about an overpair from the caller?

AceLuby · #5 05-31-2006, 10:47 AM

I would definitely put out a c-bet of 1/2 - 3/4 of the pot. If you think you had the best hand PF, then you probably have the best hand after the flop. Does he know you don't have a higher PP even if he does have an overpair? I would push if the villain shows resistance.

seke2 · #6 05-31-2006, 10:58 AM

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Preflop is fine. Flop you should cbet about 350.

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Sure, we're worried about it, but he could just as easily have 2 random high cards or some suited crap or whatever. He limped behind another limper from MP, so I don't think he's got TT+, he could certainly have 55-99.

Cbetting makes sense here. Cbetting heads up on a ragged paired board when the other player did not show extreme strength preflop will be very profitable over time, even if in this spot it didn't work out for you.

You didn't give stack sizes, so I assumed that a cbet wouldn't make a big dent in your stack...right?

jcm4ccc · #7 05-31-2006, 11:00 AM

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You didn't give stack sizes, so I assumed that a cbet wouldn't make a big dent in your stack...right?

[/ QUOTE ] sorry, didn't notice that i had that option unchecked in the converter. yeah, stack sizes were all about 3k.

Foucault · #8 05-31-2006, 11:06 AM

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Preflop is fine. Flop you should cbet about 350.

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I'm sure you recognize why only betting when you have a big pair here is a bad idea....

mlagoo · #9 05-31-2006, 11:11 AM

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Preflop is fine. Flop you should cbet about 350.

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i would actually just complete here preflop most of the time, i think.

i think you have to bet the flop and rep the overpair. every now and then you'll get like 77 to fold, which is one reason to do it. the better reason is probably that it's more likely they have two high cards than an overpair, just from a hand combination perspective. so bet! and obviously if you're called, shut down unimproved on turn.

jcm4ccc · #10 05-31-2006, 11:12 AM

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Preflop is fine. Flop you should cbet about 350.

[/ QUOTE ] Nobody is worried about an overpair from the caller?

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I'm sure you recognize why only betting when you have a big pair here is a bad idea....

[/ QUOTE ] If i thought anyone was paying attention, and this situation came up again (pf raise, one caller, probably a 50% chance that the caller has an overpair), then I could see this being a bad idea to not c-bet. But I also think that c-betting everytime i raise could also be bad (by the same logic you are using), since that means to an observant opponent that I am c-betting often when the flop is missing me.

I'm not saying that I shouldn't c-bet. I'm not completely convinced, but so far I have no allies, so I have to respect that.